Zed's a high skill ceiling champ, but I feel his kit is graceful for bad players.

AR URF··51 votes·15,038 views

I can always tell the good zed players from the bad ones. The good ones will throw their shadow at you, switch places and use auto attack e and q very quick and ult if he's not fed enough. Bad zed players just ult e q and press r again.

i'm not saying good zed players won't start ult, because there are plenty of places to start with ult, such as under tower. But bad zed's will almost always start r anywhere. on the map. Problem is how forgiving zed's kit is to such players.

Again I'M NOT SAYING GOOD ZED PLAYERS DON'T START R.

Edit: I think some of you don't under the term skill ceiling. Think of it like a piano player. You can be bad, average, and expert. Average and expert pianists can most likely play a simple song flawlessly. But only experts will play the most difficult songs because that's how far they've taken their skill. Zed is that champ that is a simple song.

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IP Masquerena26 votes

The main issue that makes Zed so easy for new players is the passive working on minions.

Such a "high skill" champion having last hit assistant is just a terrible idea. I don't mind abilities like Akali's Q having bonus damage at max rank and such, but stuff like Zed or Lux who can go like "it doesn't matter if I'm bad at csing, my champ has training wheels" should go. Those mechanics can stay and only affect champions, but they should be removed by working on creeps.

Limrick21 votes

Really, Lux? The mage that can't even clear backline in one E? The mage whose main spell costs more than most ultimates? Yeah definitely needs nerfs lol.

IP Masquerena19 votes

Never said she needs nerfs, I just said that I don't like that mechanic.

The fact that I don't like the mechanic doesn't mean she needs nerfs, afterall, we all have something we don't like and would like to see nerfed. I've just had a few too many Lux recently annoy me, that's all.

Zed on the other hand, he needs his nerfed.

JohnnyNeverSins1 votes

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Limrick4 votes

Not even remotely close but good try I guess. I play Swain and Renekton.

The Goodest Boy4 votes

LOOOL probably the least e-girl champs in the world. you really clowned that dumbass

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FéliXXX1 votes

LUL lux hasnt mana problems at all and she has a decent wave clear

Limrick1 votes

Nobody has mana problems anymore, Manaflow Band took care of that. And decent compared to what? Leona?

Step Sis Lux8 votes

no wonder u dont mind akali's q when your most played champion is akali lol, also if lux is bad at csing and she is behind she will be one of the worst champions

Infernape4 votes

Not necessarily. She has utility. She has uses outside of being a burst mage. Champions like Akali would legitimately be deadweight because all they have is damage.

Power Cosmic3 votes

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no wonder u dont mind akali's q when your most played champion is akali lol, also if lux is bad at csing and she is behind she will be one of the worst champions

Lux is a very serviceable support.

chipndip12 votes

My god, stop...

IP Masquerena3 votes

Did you check WHEN I played her the most? Like, in the last 100 games I have maybe 8 games on her. Akali was my most played before her rework, after that I barely played her.

That is something you can check, so maybe do that before throwing statements, ok?

Larriet1 votes

Not gonna lie; Lux's passive is pretty helpful to me in controlling the wave, not just in terms of last-hitting, but I can totally see how that would be annoying. Although it's not technically different than things like Sona's passive or Nasus' Q.

IP Masquerena2 votes

I can understand her need of it, it's just annoying when I see a Lux being incapable of csing when her E is down, but after using E she's getting the creeps easily due to the bonus damage from her passive.

But then again, it may be just because I'm mad at Lux as all she does post 6 is to fish with Q, if it last, I'm dead from full HP, since I don't play AD champs, I don't have the benefit of cheap MR items like Hexdrinker or Mercs, as mages need the Sorcs, so I'm picking at the one thing that takes away from things she actually needs to focus on.

GrReaper961 votes

But Akali Q doesnt have bonus damage at max range.....

chipndip14 votes

max rank to minions.

LeftyRaydy1 votes

ugh, most ap champs have ways at CSing otherwise it would be stupid difficult. if you want to talk about Easy CS Malz has that lol. Zed doesnt need it as he has ad and its stupid easy for him to cs under tower, but lux definitely does.

FéliXXX1 votes

i mean he can cs with the passive but that doesnt make him easy to play at all new players are usually so bad at him well even players that have 100+ games at him are still shit the thing is that there is a lot of player that doesnt know how to play against him

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IP Masquerena1 votes

That wasn't an intentional pick, I barely play AD champs.

I was jg, our mid asked me to pick Zed for him since I was first pick, then the enemy took Eve, and Vlad counter picked Zed, and the guy who wanted to swap had no other AP champs to swap while I don't have AD ones, so I got stuck with Zed.

Couldn't dodge as I already had 2 dodges, so it was at the point "I can at least see what happens". The fact that Vlad had nearly 500k mastery didn't help either.

5050BS24 votes

I dont play Zed but when I do I press R and roll my face on the keyboard and get a kill.

FéliXXX1 votes

thats what happens with everychamp if you play in silver

Beatrice falls13 votes

item 3147

Hügö8 votes

As long as the damage is so high in the game that no matter what you do you kill someone in don't think any champion has a high skill cap.

kargish7 votes

item 3147 99% slow into guaranteed shurikens is what's putting his skill floor low atm.

Also the overbuff he received

Shablagoo2 votes

How long is it? Oh right .25 seconds, not that hard to side step man.

kargish1 votes

With an almost equal long cast time and then you gotta move your hitbox enough to not be hit by a shuriken width.

Shablagoo2 votes

You can still dodge it, have you never dodged things with longer slows? You've never dodged, lux's q after she slows you with her e? It makes it easier but it doesnt mean you cant dodge it. Honestly I dont agree with op at all nor does duskblade make him any easier now after constantly being nerfed. Zed isnt graceful for new players, compared to other champions, just because he has a last hitting mechanic doesnt mean he is any easier.

kargish1 votes

Sure I have dodged CC while slowed before, but the difference between your Lux example and Zed slowing you with Duskblade, is that Lux doesn't fire it at you from point blank range. If I received a 0,25 sec slow from 700 units away, I could probably still dodge, but in melee range it's a different scenario entirely.

Shablagoo2 votes

What does it matter when lux's q hit box is so long and the hit box is huge. Also you can still side step that I play melee's and do it regularly. Its like saying that You can't dodge lee's q or xins w when they charge but you can't. It takes some practice but it is dodgable. The hit box on zeds q is not that large as well as the fact that if one shuriken is enough to kill you you've done something wrong the entire game.

FéliXXX1 votes

nah bro if you want to do dmg you have to use ur w as well so you have a longer cast time there is no guaranted shurikens at all and lets not talk about of the 0.75 s that you have to react when he ults u and then the 0.5s of delay on his r snapback that makes him so ez to get countered

FéliXXX1 votes

you dont have guaranteed shurikens in lane and later on in the game you get countered by 100000 things btw he didnt get overbuffed at all this season he got a useless buff to his r cd and a compensation buff that let him in a worse spot

Zeppelins circus6 votes

Remember the days when zed was a "hard" champion and needed cutlass and tiamat?

Infernape6 votes

I remember when he built BotRK and Bloodthirster.

FéliXXX1 votes

bork zed was the best one for zedplayers btw s8 is his worst season so idk what are you talking about btw he didnt rly need tiamat

Cloud2735 votes

Zed is not high skill ceiling lol. He's literally the easiest mid in this game.

Weiss Guertena3 votes

Well it's no secret that artificial damage sources have gotten out of hand, and no champion is better at abusing them than Zed: Duskblade, Electrocute and lesser runes are potent enough on their own and absolutely bonkers once 25-55% damage amplification comes into play. It's hard to have respect for Zed 100-0'ing someone when he doesn't even have to land Q anymore to do that. Add ultra-safe laning phase to that and easy-mode lasthitting due to his passive and you got yourself a hero with extremely low skillcap. Yes, he has a high skill ceiling but you dpn't need to have Challenger-level mechanics in order to win games. You merely need to perform decently - and "just" performing decently on Zed is almost braindead easy.

FéliXXX1 votes

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Weiss Guertena1 votes

With a comment that elaborate and backed up with facts and math I have no choice but to concede that I'm wrong...

...oh nevermind, just another Zed main donwvoting everyone who dares to say anything against his golden boy without even trying to think of a decent argument.

Seenan3 votes

I can't stand this champion. Infinite poke, has that free last-hit helper, has a decent amount of mobility/safety and high damage. It's dumb. I've started banning him cause I'd rather deal with a Yasuo than that nonsense. (God forbid)

FéliXXX1 votes

the ''free poke'' and the mobility is the same ability and it has 22 sec of cd and it doesnt rly do that much dmg while being hard to land btw yasuo is 2 times strongger than him either you dont know how to play against zed or you are ''not good''...

Seenan1 votes

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the ''free poke'' and the mobility is the same ability and it has 22 sec of cd and it doesnt rly do that much dmg while being hard to land btw yasuo is 2 times strongger than him either you dont know how to play against zed or you are ''not good''...

Tf are you talking about? He can poke without using his shadow, and his Q (his poke) isn't on a 22 second cooldown...It's not me who loses the lanes vs Zed, but the rest of my team dies to him and no one can catch him because nearly all of his items give CDR. He's annoying more than difficult. Side note - If he gets even remotely near you, he can shadow-E-Q and that'll proc electrocute for a chunk of damage unless you have an answer. In which case, he also has an ult and a strong passive.

FéliXXX1 votes

hes q does 0 dmg once it hits minions so you cant poke with it in lane if the enemy is half of a player

FéliXXX1 votes

you know what im wrong what you said was totally truth im wont comment ever on this boards it doesnt matter what you can say you will be always talking to ppl that hates zed and doesnt give a fck so im done ur point zed is the best champion of the history ven the best champion of dota as well oh and hes the best champ of dota 2 also the best on smite he is the best top jungler mid adc and the best support it doesnt matter what ppl who streams playing him only on high elo says they are so wrong zed is OP

ez mental boom2 votes

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I can always tell the good zed players from the bad ones. The good ones will throw their shadow at you, switch places and use auto attack e and q very quick

It's more like buffering e and q before the shadow even lands, then switching and autoing

BLIGHTBRINGER2 votes

Zed's Passive and New PBE Dark Harvest interaction is going to make him a pick or ban champ in SoloQ, i'm calling it now.

Hammermancer2 votes

I think i got a penta on zed before in aram and I was really really drunk and i don't play zed

FéliXXX1 votes

i got a cuadra on aram playing ad morgana does that mean ad morgana is broken af?

Hammermancer1 votes

just telling a story

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