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I really dislike @Riot Blaustoise's Thoughts on Ladder Changes

Dukues·5/8/2019, 3:59:24 PM·10 votes·8,385 views
r/leagueoflegends - Riot Blaustoise's thoughts on how the Ranked ladder should be like

So for those of you who don't know it looks like Riot is actually intending to change Ranked distribution in League (after being the same since at leaset season 4 and possibly season 3). If you stroll over to op.gg or other 3rd party sites you can look at rank distributions and see player populations in different ranks have changed on a lot from season 8.

Before season 9, at the end of season Plat 5 used to be roughly top 10% of players. Gold 5 was somewhere around 38-40% (depending on region). Diamond 5 was usually top 2%.

Now in season 9 already only a couple months in plat 4 is at over top 14%, gold 4 is at like 41-42% diamond is like 3.5% going to be 4% before end of season. Basically.... a lot more players in these ranked tiers. And it sounds like it's intentional. You can read Riot Blaustoise's thoughts on it from the reddit link I posted.

But this is why I disagree with these changes. It has been know for years that League's ranked system is a grind. What has stood out for League compared to other games is if you really wanted certain rewards you had to try and improve and you could really see difference in skill from tier to tier. Hell you could actually see the different between divisions if you stuck around different divisions long enough. It made moving up tiers feel good and really made you feel like you improved and earned your new rank.

But after these changes especially in a game that has had the same system and ranked distribution for at least 5 season if not 6, is you change the meaning behind tiers. By reducing "gate keeping" you are removing a huge part of meaning behind ranked tiers. Its like handing out more participation trophies for no reason, which feels pretty shit to anyone who isn't new to the system. Plus it makes comparing your season 9 performance to prior seasons much harder. As saying you are "gold" or "gold 4" in season 9 is basically like saying you are really silver 1 in any other season (well 3-8). Or plat 4 now is really like being old gold 2. Instantly making these season 9 ranks mean less and reducing a reason to feel proud of this achievement. I mean diamond 4 is now like being plat 2... just has weird cutoffs and rings to it. It feels much better to have last division of each rank feel like an actual tier upgrade rather than have it in the middle of a tier like diamond 2 or plat 2 or gold 2.

Also I don't care what you say match making will be worse. Maybe its the stupid crap you tried early in season 9 but I have never seen ranked match making this bad and I have been playing rank since season 2. I feel it's more than a coincidence the one season you decide to completely change ranked distributions ranked match making also shits the bed harder than ever before.

I feel like this just another change to force old players out of your game. I have loved this game for years but since season 8 I can no longer say I do. You changed the game play in season 8 more than I ever thought you would and I can honestly say I will never love the game as much as I did before season 8 because I know you will never change the gameplay back. Now..... you going to make poor changes to ranked for...? god knows why I guess just to make new players feel better about themselves? Really makes no sense to me.

What Riot should have done: You literally added Iron tier to the game yet you have literally 4 divisions devoted to the bottom 3% of players.... lmfao. If you really wanted to fix ranked and make it better you needed to make iron = 10-% of players. Make Bronze roughly 20%. Silver 35%. Which would make gold at end of season top 35%. I mean you can change it a bit but if anything you should have made gold+ slightly harder to get rather than much easier to get. Ranked mming was already pretty trash before and people wanted less players in these ranks and instead of doing that you made it the complete opposite and just invited everyone into these new tiers completely destroying a vast majority of the meaning behind these tiers to begin with.

Don't know how much longer I can play this game. I no longer care about my rank. Not that it's high but like I used to actually be ok with being shit gold lol but now I like fuck.... gold even shittier than b4 plus I could realistically have a chance for plat now but 1. I hate match making so fucking much no way I would ever be able to spam enough games or care enough to try and rank up higher. 2. Even if I reached plat it's not actually plat..... (compared to literally last 6 years) so..... I wouldn't even feel good about it lmfao. So I honestly see no point in ranking up anymore. So thanks again for ruining another thing I loved about this game.

I miss when game companies actually made you work towards things rather than just giving you handouts. Your bigger than both dota 2 & OW why the fuck would you care what they do with their ranked systems? Heroes had the same shit as them and their ranked system was laughable.

32 Comments

KirbyCake5/8/2019, 5:52:21 PM14 votes

They are effectively boosting each tier by one because their game is literally dying and they want people to feel like they've climbed in ranks and made progress when in reality they are still the same boosted monkey as before that did not get better at all.

People were already making memes about diamond 5 being trash in previous seasons. Now diamond 4 will be considered beyond trash because it is ridiculously easy to get compared to d5 in previous seasons which was already considered trash.

Gall5/8/2019, 7:42:49 PM5 votes

These changes are all superficial. MMR still determines who you'll play against.

cars3n5/8/2019, 4:34:08 PM3 votes

I think grandmaster is the reason. The good diamond players moved there, which made diamond easier to climb through, which made everything else below easier in a butterfly effect.

ElnyrJhodo12/18/2019, 6:38:30 PM1 votes

I think we far to often make the assumption that the ranked ladder system actually works.

Who here as 'climbed' to only find worse players higher in the 'ladder'. I guarantee that nearly everyone that reads this not only has encountered worse players in higher elo, but consistently encounters them.

From bronze to gold one thing has remained absolutely consistent in my games. The players in general, are absolutely terrible, and somehow they are randomly all over the 'ladder'. It actually feels like these players are randomly placed and they just win lose win lose win lose.

Because they do.

Gating and safety systems reinforce this toxicity in the ladder. The trash needs to fall, but it doesn't. Decay is too slow, players that play once a week are matched with players that play nearly a dozen games a day.

Inting/trolling/greifing/being-trash/afking goes unpunished. These players are all over the ladder, everywhere.

If someone ints your game, intentional or not, you get the same punishment as they do. Then we throw phrases around like, 'team game' and 'ranked ladder system'.

You can't say 'solo queue' and 'team game' in the same fucking sentence and expect me to listen to your ramblings further. Is anyone with a brain listening?

We have a system that brings better players to you, rather than you to better players.

We have a system that punishes better players, by matching them with worse teammates.

We have a system that when you duo, matches you within insane degenerates so that you actually can't duo without hyper smurfing.

We have champion balance that is handled by how we play around champions, rather than those champions being actually balanced. (seen any champs that build full tank and still one shot you lately? Thats not balance. Jax? Vayne?)

We have insanely toxic kits on fun-to-play hell-to-play-against champions.

We have champions that get two items and it feels like a six item powerspike.

We have tons of champions that are pretty much unkillable without hard cc. Pyke anyone?

We have supports that just walk up and one shot.

Ap champions currently scale INSANELY hard, all of them.

I can go on and on, but there is no point.

Is the game fun? YES. Is it playable? Not really.

Many players don't even care about winning, most players are in gold but are actually bronze as fuck. Its actually fucking nuts how bad gold players are, its legit low silver. I don't even understand. A very high percentage of them should actually be in bronze. I'm not even trolling, dead serious, its THAT bad.

The ranked ladder is completely out of hand. I'm convinced that riot doesn't give a fuck, or doesn't know to fix it, or just wants to remain a dead region.

Even just doing nothing would be better than the current ladder system. Just reset everyone to gold and let the cogs fucking spin. It'll sort itself out eventually, give it a season. After that reset to bottom of current tier. Remove all saving mechinisms.

Or, judge each player individually and treat solo queue like solo queue.

You know how much more fun this game would be if I could somehow be judged according to my play in SOLO queue instead of the 9 other fucking apes running around high or drunk on something? Even if I played amazingly while all my 'teammates' shit the bed, and I broke even on lp, would be better than being shit on by them AND by the game.

If you think the ladder is working. Just remember that when you lose, the helmet wearing fucks that ran it down all game, you were treated exactly the same as them.

You reap what you sow. Wait.

Don't even get me started on all the fucking bullshit chat restrictions and focus on toxicity.

Riot, you mother fuckers, focus on fixing the ladder and creating a more healthy game experience— then watch the fucking magic as your entire player base becomes less frustrated, and less toxic. Imagine that, some fucking logic.

Now all the fucking degenerate 'diamond' trolls can flame this post and downvote as if anything I said was wrong. I don't give a fuck, so learn something or move along. I don't read responses, because none of this fucking matters.

I have three moderation responses I keep getting notifications for, lol. Like I give a fuck what a sona main thinks, I made that mistake once, never again. If the mods grow a brain I'll read what they have to say, but that will take a few hundred years.

Anyone that donates their time to moderate these shit posts, is fucking stupid. I'm fucking stupid for writing this shit in the first place. No one gives a fuck what any of us think, or it'd be fixed by now.

nm10105/9/2019, 5:01:27 PM1 votes

More ranks was a move designed to make players feel better about 'climbing' so that they wanted to play more. I don't think they anticipated the drop in ranked playerbase though, this has lead to a very inconsistent ladder. Some people can climb a lot easier than they should be and some people are having more trouble climbing than they should be.

ZephyrDrake5/10/2019, 1:52:08 AM1 votes

I have no idea how matchmaking is to be worse when it has never taken into account rank and that will not change even if riot goes with what blastoise is saying. So I really want to know how would matchmaking be worst?

Myrmiron5/14/2019, 4:35:40 PM1 votes

At this point just give out """victorious skins""" to everyone and call them "participation skins"...