Instead of making a QQ thread on how much I hate this mechanic with a passion I'm just asking one question which is how? I don't want anyone to reply with me by saying peel your carry or some bullshit like that, I want it straight is there any way to face this stupid mechanic or theres none.
I'll probably just wait until they remove it for give some counter play towards up because i'm just about done with it.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteswell are you talking about true damage? like 
or %hp damage on autos like 
or ap % damage like on 
. kinda need to specify.
Daxanater2 votesvayne kinda thing
Clint Orris3 votesvayne kinda thing
The only real counterplay to Vayne's true damage is teamwork. League is much more than a 1v1.
Zonkman3 votesI personally after dozens of matches as Darius against Vayne's and such I find that if you sit under your fountain theres no way she can shred you or condemn you without risking dying herself!
Squishie1 votesIn my experience with Vayne, the poke mages always gives her aids. GP is kinda a soloution too.
Pierce The Veal1 votesIn my experience with Vayne, the poke mages always gives her aids. GP is kinda a soloution too.
How about the fiora kind of True damage?
Astôlfo1 votesAgain, don't 1v1 her. She's one of the best 1v1 duelists in the game.
Pierce The Veal1 votesAgain, don't 1v1 her. She's one of the best 1v1 duelists in the game.
Oh ok.
So uh, what about when she builds tanky and ults someone on my team?
Astôlfo1 votesdon't 1v1 her 1v1
"So uh, what about when she builds tanky and ults someone on my team?"
team
Then just fight her as a team? She can't parry everyone, and her parry has a fairly long CD. Unless she's ridiculously fed, her fighting a single target surrounded by their teammates is suicide, even if she does manage to kill them (which she really shouldn't if you guys actually try to stop her, unless said target's low health already anyways).
Pierce The Veal1 votes"So uh, what about when she builds tanky and ults someone on my team?"
Then just fight her as a team? She can't parry everyone, and her parry has a fairly long CD. Unless she's ridiculously fed, her fighting a single target surrounded by their teammates is suicide, even if she does manage to kill them (which she really shouldn't if you guys actually try to stop her, unless said target's low health already anyways).
So the entire team should focus on killing a fiora who will riposte most of the damage and tank the rest, while the enemy team beats on us?
Astôlfo1 votesUm no. Even just 2-3 people is fine. And no, she won't Riposte anywhere close to most of it unless you guys are idiots and all spam your entire combo at her at the same time. And if she builds tank, she won't do damage in the first place, at least not to any meaningful degree. Tank Fiora build was killed with nerfs.
Stop twisting my words, kthx.
Pierce The Veal1 votesUm no. Even just 2-3 people is fine. And no, she won't Riposte anywhere close to most of it unless you guys are idiots and all spam your entire combo at her at the same time. And if she builds tank, she won't do damage in the first place, at least not to any meaningful degree. Tank Fiora build was killed with nerfs.
Stop twisting my words, kthx.
You try to cc her and she can stun potentially your whole team. And you can't burst her, so you should just wait a whole second for her to wack away at your carry before you do anything?
Calling a team idiots isn't a solution. If you have to ignore an assassin for a short period of time to deal with them then you're really not dealig with them y'know? It's not hard to grab a bunch of tanky damage items as fiora and become hard as hell to kill.
Spoofghoul1 voteshealth regen
but she can counter that with grievous wounds
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteswell as a tank/bruiser vs a vayne a build like this worked great for me as 
top vs top. this was my exact build path. 
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. i went 9-2-11 she was 4-11-7. if you are playing an ap champ tank like 
which i have beat vayne top as well 
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works well if you have some magic pen from runes to increase the damage reflected and it helps for aoe . gives you ap/cdr/ mr and magic pen to help . for aoe damge /slow that gives mana,cdr,armor. and for armor/hp and gives you bonus damage that builds with moving and increased movement speed so when you stack its passive and ult as your damage is amplified.
basically the idea is to dont stack full hp cuz she will do more damage but if you stack things like 
that gives armor and hp and debuffs her dps you will have a stronger chance.
does that make any sense?
Revali2 votesplaying around % damage ( especially true) is to be mindful of how much hp you build, build to much and you'll regret it, sure you can endure the other four, but vaynes chunks just get stronger for example.
but proper resistance generally counters the other % damage.
though in the case of say 
it's probably better to stack hp as flat true tends to hurt a lot more than percentage anyway since its not usually super high percentages
sorry if this is hard to follow.
AwesomeChad2 votesbuild more MR/armor and potentially get a frozen heart if they're heavily aa-based.
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesfirst describe the type of ability and how its actually delivered. This is ONE of the first steps
Samflash32 votesOkay. Let's break it down. Every one has the potential to deal unlockable damage. Some more than others. An ADC can hit you for 400 damage consistently via crits BUT you can reduce SOME not all with defenses. So, Armor, MR, and health offset some of these but not all.
So, in the case of Vayne, Fiora, etc, there's a percentage of their damage you can't block. But it's tied under fixed conditions. Vayne must hit thrice, Fiora must maneuver around and hit you somewhere.
But let me be honest. The frustrating thing about Vayne isn't the true damage. It's the fact that she can stealth thereby denying you the knowledge of where to hit her with a spell and land an auto. In other words, she tells you when she wants you to hit her (hue). If she didn't have her stealth, she'd be a whole lot easier to kill. But then, that's Vayne's identity.
asamu2 votesSo... This mechanic is actually a good thing when it's on tanks, because it lets them have reasonable damage output in the late game that isn't way overpowering in the mid game, but on damage dealers, I think it's bad, because it counters the defenses/HP that are supposed to mitigate that damage and let tanks perform their role in the game.
That said, for non-true damage % HP, building resists is reasonably effective. As for vayne, you need teamwork and other people to lock her down + burst her to deal with it.
Cubíx2 votesIt depends on the damage, someone like gnar or ekkos % hp dmage is magic damage so building more magic resist and less hp can help out, note this doesnt mean building no HP just less. same applies to ad % hp damage, build more armor less hp. as for true % hp damage.... well its better to counter the champ than the damage itself, Vayne lower her attack speed is helpful, e.g. frozen heart or randuins, Fiora lower her mobility with slows or hard cc is probably best, but that requires more of champion choice than items.
BloodyTompon2 votesResistances.
SrbLud1 votes
Daxanater1 votessay you already have that but its still not working since they build mr against it
Nyanza1 votes is currently garbage. You need 300+ armor to make it even meaningful.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes
but a with or is what you should get, and as i stated in early post on this topic that ap champs that benefit from such as a where you can stack magic pen items it really helps making the damage from be more effective and it doesnt get as nullified vs 
. so a with his is more effective with having magic pen from runes flat magic pen reds the aoe magic damage from is also stronger with magic pen and items like due to the passives and magic pen
Reikken1 voteskill the attacker
Nahui1 votesVayne's true damage counter is more damage. There's no tankiness that you can build that helps versus it. Technically tabi and armor will help against her normal auto damage though and skills, but the actual percentage is uncounterable.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesVayne's true damage counter is more damage. There's no tankiness that you can build that helps versus it. Technically tabi and armor will help against her normal auto damage though and skills, but the actual percentage is uncounterable.
well sure a full build 
who has nothing but damage should be able to 1 shot and kill her. but when you are having to play other roles and champs there are ways to beat her. and a nice balanced of armor with damage reduction and debuffs to her attack speed will lower her dps and if you have high amounts of cc in your kit such as you should be able to take her out with your ult and items after all you are a damn rock. and when it comes to a a full combo with your silence and spin to win and your damage reduction with w and execute with ult you can still get similar armor/ debuff /damage reduction items and kill her. if you wait til 43 mins in the game to try it might be too late. and your only hope is a fed or whatever burst champ but a at lvl 6 with all in should be able to kill her if she isnt fed.
Narsicus1 votesDepends on the champion using it, I am guessing you are commenting about either Vayne or Fiora.
For Vayne she needs to hit you 3 times in succession, so items that lower her attack speed will lower the damage you take. Randuin's is generally the item of choice but if you are a team player you can pick up Frozen Heart. Also for her true damage to actually start mattering she is going to have to be focusing on someone, when the opponent's ADC is focusing on someone such that they are getting 6+ attacks off that is usually the time to start doing something about that. And that 'something' generally involves CC and your team pile diving her.
Fiora has to hit specific marks on your champion so being aware of your positioning can greatly limit her damage in this regard. To help this anything that improves your mobility or reduces hers makes it far more difficult for her to get those procs off. She knows this too which is why so many Fiora's build items from Phage.
But really you need to remember two things about both of these champions. The first is that unless you are building absolutely obscene amounts of armor they are still doing more physical damage than true, armor can and will be reducing their damage output. The second is that for both of these true damage activators they require that Vayne/Fiora be focusing on a single target with no interruptions, don't let these situations happen. Letting high damage champions consistently beat down your team with impunity is never a good idea and will almost always end up with them cutting through your team one person after another.
The Yetii Rider1 votesThe counterplay to Vayne is to not let her attack the same target three times. So you get on her face. Pressure her. Mix up the aggro. She can only attack one target.
Pick up some AS slows. Nasus, Malphite, Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Nunu.
Actually just play Nunu anyway. He's super fun.
