I know it's been said a few times but Quinn...

IGotScuttleCrabs·Nov 5, 2015·9 votes·699 views

Has basically lost Valor. I'm really bothered by this in the rework. It's like Valor is now being treated as Betrice or whatever Swains bird is named.

Yay Valor gets to carry me whenever I want, then occasionally drops down to tag an enemy. But other than that is no where to be seen in the original "tag team" champ.

Might as well change the Ult description to: Quinn gets lazy and calls in Valor to carry her around.

Idk, I'm not going to cry and ask for a refund on my 3 skins or rage quit the game because my favorite champ isnt what I fell in love with. I'll still give her a try. I just feel like her Ult could have been handled better. I know Repretoir has stated they're going in this direction with the changes so this probably doesn't matter. I just wanted to see Valor become MORE of the champ in the update. Not less.

19 Comments

RazzleDazzleThemNov 5, 20154 votes

I actually think Quinn 's new ult is pretty ok. The good Quinn on the PBE seem to be everywhere on the map, and it's actually quiet scary when she's fed.

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 5, 20152 votes

I like the new Ult being ~100% uptime. Was the one thing I was really hoping to get. But I strongly dislike that Valor is basically used as a movement particle effect at this point.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 5, 20153 votes

[zombie-nunu-tears]

I feel you man. I feel you.

Hey at least new Graves is fun so that's a pretty good replacement for Quinn ADC. I also recommend Kindred bot (but you need a support with good CC in order to make it work)

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 5, 20151 votes

Yea I might be hoping on the Graves train. Shotguns have always been my preferred Fps weapon so graves looks fun now.

Shroom JunkieNov 5, 20153 votes

Valor does passive. Valor does Q. Valor does W. Valor does ult. Literally the only thing Valor doesn't do is her E and AA.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 5, 20152 votes

All of these things he used to do, but then actually fought as well. So they removed half of what he did, turning him into a particle effect.

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 5, 20151 votes

Bingo. Valor is now on the same level as Swains Beatrice.

ZyorhistNov 5, 20152 votes

there should be a circling animation of valor sweeping the area when she uses her w

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 5, 20151 votes

Yea of all things I thought that spell would have been made more interesting.

Baron of BreadNov 6, 20151 votes

Beatrice does one thing, Swain's Q.

Valor will mark enemies, get thrown at people, reveal areas and carry you around. Valor is much more ingrained in Quinn's kit than Beatrice is in Swain's.

Could Valor be replaced with any other visual effects? Yes, and always could be. Quinn could have been a crossbow user that every once and a while goes psycho, tosses their crossbow away and runs fast to punch people in the face and eventually drop a bomb. Instead she switched places with a bird.

Shroom JunkieNov 6, 20152 votes

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All of these things he used to do, but then actually fought as well. So they removed half of what he did, turning him into a particle effect.

So is Pix but I don't see you complaining about that.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 6, 20151 votes

Because Pix never fought in the first place! That's like complaining that Mundo's cleaver never goes and hits a minion on it's own!

Valor used to be as much a champion as any other in the game. Now? He's a taxi service and a particle effect.

Shroom JunkieNov 6, 20152 votes

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Because Pix never fought in the first place! That's like complaining that Mundo's cleaver never goes and hits a minion on it's own!

Valor used to be as much a champion as any other in the game. Now? He's a taxi service and a particle effect.

He's half of her kit. Literally the entire fucking game is particle effects. You're mad because he can't AA or be his own champ anymore. Heck, I doubt Quinn mains even care. Earlier there was a thread by a Quinn main that stated she didn't really care if Valor wasn't an assassin anymore.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 6, 20151 votes

Yes Quinn mains care, you're talking to one now. The PBE thread has over 800 comments of people that don't want these changes.

Playing as Valor was a central part of the kit, just as much as everything else.

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 6, 20151 votes

If they took away Pixs ability to attack when Lulu attacked, then this would be accurate.

Shroom JunkieNov 6, 20151 votes

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If they took away Pixs ability to attack when Lulu attacked, then this would be accurate.

So because he adds to the AA he's suddenly not worth complaining? Uh... okay, what do you want? Valor to AA for Quinn instead of Quinn using her crossbow?

Reaper ReviewNov 5, 20152 votes

Harrier is still Valor marking enemies. Q is still Valor striking out at enemies. W is still Valor granting Quinn vision of a large area. E didn't change at all.

The only real difference in regards to Valor's participation is that he doesn't get to pretend he's Yi and bludgeon things.

I'm just a bit miffed that people just completely write Valor off as a taxi when he's still the crux of most of Quinn's kit. I mean, I know I'll get downvoted for daring to not completely despite the changes, but whatever.

IGotScuttleCrabsNov 5, 20153 votes

The gripe people from what I've seen is Valor is now 90% particle effects and 10% taxi service. Valor use to be part of the champion. Sure it was never 50/50. Maybe 2/3 Quinn 1/3 Valor. But now you're only playing as Quinn.