can you just revert the goddamn jungle to earlier seasons?

Critmaster Garen·Jul 9, 2018·40 votes·10,886 views

i swear, half of the games im losing, its only because we have a jungler on our team who just straight afk farms or just picks a champion who cant gank until 6, while the enemy jungler is winning the game almost by himself.

just reduce respawn timers, jungle gold and xp. i swear, im gonna quit this fucking game because they can just afford to sit on your ass and repeatedly gank for 3 full minutes because they lose shit in farm.

revert the jungle to a state, where farm was important, and you had to take a risk to gank lanes for potentially losing out in gold and xp.

the scuttle changes made aggressive early junglers just even more dominant than they already were.

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Bears Dont CareJul 9, 20187 votes

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just reduce respawn timers, jungle gold and xp. i swear, im gonna quit this fucking game because they can just afford to sit on your ass and repeatedly gank for 3 full minutes because they lose shit in farm.

Very sure they nerfed the hell out of jungler exp/gold this last patch, and made junglers now heavily reliant upon fighting for scuttle crab. You wish for them to nerf gold and exp even more? Junglers already get what? less than half the gold a laner gets and enough to be near 2 levels below a solo laner in terms of exp. You want it nerfed even further? That doesn't seem completely unreasonable at all.

You had a bad game. Don't blame the jungler for your problems.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20181 votes

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Very sure they nerfed the hell out of jungler exp/gold this last patch, and made junglers now heavily reliant upon fighting for scuttle crab. You wish for them to nerf gold and exp even more? Junglers already get what? less than half the gold a laner gets and enough to be near 2 levels below a solo laner in terms of exp. You want it nerfed even further? That doesn't seem completely unreasonable at all.

You had a bad game. Don't blame the jungler for your problems.

no, the scuttle changes are cancer and didnt do shit.

all they do is get people to play the strongest early game junglers, so they can contest these fucking things, and then they go back to ganking lanes with these same champions.

i want them to reduce all spawn timers, gold and xp accordingly, so camps spawn more often, and junglers are busier farming their fucking jungle instead of repeatedly spam ganking lanes because they have too much free time.

if they just sit in your lane for a minute, and are back every 30 seconds, they should fucking fall behind in levels like any other lane would if they pulled shit like that. it should destroy them in gold and xp to spam gank a lane without getting kills on the laner.

Bears Dont CareJul 10, 20181 votes

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no, the scuttle changes are cancer and didnt do shit.

You literally just agreed with me. I cannot fathom how someone can stay angry for such a period of time as to recognize when someone agres with them on this aspect.

all they do is get people to play the strongest early game junglers, so they can contest these fucking things.

Yes...which is causing the problem you are complaining about.

i want them to reduce all spawn timers, gold and xp accordingly, so camps spawn more often, and junglers are busier farming their fucking jungle instead of repeatedly spam ganking lanes because they have too much free time.

Exp and gold is already very low. Wanting all junglers to play farmville simply because you had a bad game is unreasonable. Go do some pushups and chll.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20182 votes

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Exp and gold is already very low. Wanting all junglers to play farmville simply because you had a bad game is unreasonable. Go do some pushups and chll.

are you daft? junglers can literally afford to camp the same lane over and over again without losing out on gold and xp because of the spawn mechanics of their camps.

i want them overall spawn much more frequently, without reducing their total gold and xp gain, so junglers simply have to farm a lot more for the gold and xp gains.

its not because of just ONE bad game. if youre playing a jungler right now and youre not ganking and just farming camps, youre literally trolling and should be reportable, because thats how bad just afk farming jungle currently is compared to nonstop ganking.

its not that junglers have currently windows to gank lanes between farming their camps like it should be. its more that they have almost nothing else to do.

remove all the gold and xp off scuttles and increase the goddamn camp spawn rates again.

Colton147Jul 9, 20185 votes

Nocturne and Evelynn can't gank pre-6 and are strong right now.

Critmaster GarenJul 9, 201818 votes

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and can't gank pre-6 and are strong right now.

both of them can gank pre 6.

the problem is, a jungler who ganks vs. a jungler who farms makes games almost on his own, while the farming jungler does shit for his team.

i had a fucking lee sin come around top lane 5 times in a row and sit in my tribush for almost a full minute. he should be 2 levels behind everyone else for this shit. even though he didnt get anything out of it, he got my opponent ahead by sheer presence and zoned me from cs. how is the fact that hes not massively falling behind in that case considered reasonable?

Mokiller5Jul 10, 20182 votes

I mean, who needs a team. In the current meta these champions Evelynn Nocturne MasterYi 1v9 solo carry all my games. Especially , I farm my ass off for 20 mins, then get pentas and win games while spamming gg ez in allchat. Multiple games ive played yi and never ganked once. Sure the enemy leesin camped our bot and got their laners super fed but it ment shit once I came out with my completed items and solo won the game.

Leto GTJul 10, 20181 votes

Scuttles and kills. That's how. If you can secure scuttles, you're ahead and can make the choice of farming less because you know the enemy jungler will have to sit in his jungle to not get out leveled for smite. Meaning, you've to help your jungler taking them.

bbQsauçeJul 9, 20183 votes

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Colton147Jul 9, 20182 votes

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They can? Nocturne especially has pretty good ganks pre-6

Not as great like their post-6 ganks, but they can still have good ganks.

ValiantKillerJul 9, 20181 votes

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and can't gank pre-6 and are strong right now.

Yet a Udyr can just destroy them 1v1, take over their jungle,gank and all of that level2

HolyJellyMateJul 9, 20181 votes

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and can't gank pre-6 and are strong right now.

My friends are Eve mains and they managed to get 2 kills easily (by ganking), don't tell me they CAN't gank pre-6.

NenthosJul 9, 20184 votes

How about revert the GAME to an earlier season.

bbQsauçeJul 9, 20182 votes

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Critmaster GarenJul 9, 20183 votes

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I agree. Junglers used to be punished for not farming. Now they can just clear the jungle once then sit on your lane for 5 minutes without losing shit.

if any laner would just farm a single wave and then sit around another lane for minutes, maybe catch every third wave in his own lane and then return to the lane hes ganking, he would be fucked.

the jungle should be a lane that has to be farmed like any other, at the very least to almost the same degree.

WøOxerJul 10, 20181 votes

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I agree. Junglers used to be punished for not farming. Now they can just clear the jungle once then sit on your lane for 5 minutes without losing shit.

Like they couldn't do this before?

It's all about scuttle changes, they just have to revert that update back to previous and that's it.

Current jungler state is like this: If I gank, ok now I am behind in levels.

If I afk farm ok u ain't getting ganks but I am not behind in levels and can contest jungle objectives.

Learn ur s**t bois then talk about jungles.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20181 votes

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Like they couldn't do this before?

It's all about scuttle changes, they just have to revert that update back to previous and that's it.

Current jungler state is like this: If I gank, ok now I am behind in levels.

If I afk farm ok u ain't getting ganks but I am not behind in levels and can contest jungle objectives.

Learn ur s**t bois then talk about jungles.

its not about scuttle changes. this already happened before they changed scuttles. the scuttle changes were riots "answer" to the complaints that junglers have too much time between clears.

bbQsauçeJul 10, 20181 votes

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WøOxerJul 11, 20181 votes

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You probably were not around for S6 or before. Once you full cleared the jungle you would recall to base, go back to the first camp you cleared and it would spawn right away. Right now you have too much time between clears and you can do whatever you want.

Also rubber banding is a thing. If you're behind as a jungler you can just do some camps and catch back up in XP easily because of rubber banding.

Learn your s**t then talk about jungle.

No Lol I am playing since S3 but with very long breaks. In previous seasons I didn't spent much time in the jungles as Lee Sin, unless all lanes are pushing and focused on counter ganks or either counter-jungled the enemy jungler. So I don't really know what are u talking about but these jungle XP changes are hell unhealthy and literally rolling the dice (which champion is stronger to contest it) who will get the scuttler first to gain early level advantage.

Akali is SO HOTJul 10, 20182 votes

Then we'll see the rise of nerf Lee threads

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20181 votes

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Then we'll see the rise of nerf Lee threads

id rather say lee thrives in a meta where early spam ganking is a thing. hes one of the poster boys for lvl 2 ganks.

id rather expect him to fall off in a more farm heavy jungle.

1542Jul 10, 20182 votes

only jungle? all the goddamn game needs to be reverted back to S6

Dream HighJul 10, 20182 votes

Would be nice if junglers had to actualy be in their jungle. The camps are too weak and don't spawn fast enough. There is no drawback to sitting in a lane instead if actually jungling.

Pokemonred200Jul 9, 20181 votes

Let's bring back season 4 jungle where the spawn timers were 50 seconds and most of your gold came from the Conservation passive on Spirit Stone's upgrades or the gold amplifier on Wriggle's Lantern.

Just don't bring back the hyper sustain spirit stone gave and I think everything would be fine.

...right?

Jaygo41Jul 10, 20181 votes

Remove scuttle crab. It's too valuable and gives too much information.

420 gramsJul 9, 20181 votes

Every jungler can gank pre 6, they just choose not to (probably because they tunnel vision and don't know how)

NØVAJul 9, 20181 votes

Not every jungle can gank pre six and get anything out of it, the changes they made are extremely frustrating to jungle mains. I've been playing since 2010 and ever since the changes I haven't played ranked and I don't plan to. If there's no changes coming up to the jungle I'm quitting for the first time in 9 years.

YourAreMyQueenJul 10, 20181 votes

Just revert the game back to before Greg "Ghostidiot" Street joined Riot and fire him.

Rıots Bad ClientJul 10, 20181 votes

I don't play jungling, so I don't have a solid suggestion to fix. With that said.

Can we make the jungler creeps deal less damage, but tank more damage. and give more gold and experience. Because if they took longer to kill, I would assume that they would delay ganks. but with more gold and exp would make them feel like they're getting somewhere aswell.

I know some junglers would just be beaten out of jungling, Like tanks(or anyone that doesn't have sustain). But if you could have a smite that could actually help them clear to keep them up with the current junglers. that be sweet to.

JoeyrulerJul 10, 20181 votes

Shhh.... stay quiet Udyr bearman sleeping, I mean who doesn't love this meta besides me anyway. Tanks? Nah Ap jgl? Nah Diversity jgl? Nah Just jump aboard the Udry, Lee, graves meta

Pokemonred200Jul 10, 20181 votes

I think the main reason Riot won't revert the jungle is to prevent hard farmers like Master Yi and Shyvana from being able to farm their entire jungle over and over, since they said the main reason they didn't reduce spawn timers with this most recent jungle sweep was, point blank, "we don't like farm to 6 junglers or powerfarm junglers. They need to interact with the rest of the map."

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20182 votes

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I think the main reason Riot won't revert the jungle is to prevent hard farmers like Master Yi and Shyvana from being able to farm their entire jungle over and over, since they said the main reason they didn't reduce spawn timers with this most recent jungle sweep was, point blank, "we don't like farm to 6 junglers or powerfarm junglers. They need to interact with the rest of the map."

"interact" is an interesting word, for "we want players to fight each other in the LCS so games are more interesting to watch".

this is literally all it comes down to and why they refuse to make the jungle as farm oriented as lanes.

EVERY laner has to plan in advance for a roam play. you have to hard shove or proxy a wave to buy yourself 30 seconds to make a roam play on the map, and get back before the next wave crashes into your turret.

junglers have a fucking 1 minute and 30 seconds after their camp clears until have to go back to farming. they have literally shit to do than to gank left and right, or spam gank the same lane over and over again.

if i just left top lane and sat in a bush next to the mid lane, or bot lane, i would be fucked. the fact that junglers can do this without issues is infuriating.