I think an underestimated part of bruisers being weak is the movespeed and kite potential

Sasogwa · 2018-01-25T23:39:15.316Z

If adc's had a lower % movespeed bonus with zeal items if trinity gave 12% movespeed like it used to if merctreads were back to 35% tenacity (and maybe worked on goddamn knockups to lower their duration) if randuins also slowed movespeed when attacked like good old fucking times Then it would help just so much. Not solve all problems obviously, and we would have to also monitor trinity ms for ezreal (bonus movespeed depends on melee/range?), but I think it could be clearly a factor

Sasogwa·Jan 25, 2018·19 votes·868 views

If adc's had a lower % movespeed bonus with zeal items
if trinity gave 12% movespeed like it used to
if merctreads were back to 35% tenacity (and maybe worked on goddamn knockups to lower their duration)
if randuins also slowed movespeed when attacked like good old fucking times Then it would help just so much. Not solve all problems obviously, and we would have to also monitor trinity ms for ezreal (bonus movespeed depends on melee/range?), but I think it could be clearly a factor

19 Comments

SõnaJan 26, 20184 votes

"Riot has been kind of neglecting bruiser for I think like four years now so I'm just coming to accept that Riot hates bruisers and they never wanted them to be good" -Gbay99-

Unfortunately, that's how it looks like it, no matter how many things suggested on the board about toplane, they will be ignored. If you give bruiser too much advantages like lowering ADC movespeed bonus item so they can catch up, some brusiers like Fiora or Camille can chase them down way easily. The probably problem is that they should fix the critical items, critical strike are supposedly to be RNG, but somehow when you are buying 3 items to get nearly 80% crit is unacceptable. I honestly hope that they could change Crit cap around 50%-60%. It just my tiny opinion.

Diamond2KappaJan 26, 20185 votes

Oh man I must be hallucinating, I thought Fiora Camille Kled and others were top tier last season but it turns out Riot hates bruisers and they were never allowed to be good hehe

LordGeovanniJan 26, 20182 votes

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Oh man I must be hallucinating, I thought Fiora Camille Kled and others were top tier last season but it turns out Riot hates bruisers and they were never allowed to be good hehe

Fiora was toxic and Kled was strong. Camille was bad from release except that her Q did too much TRUE DAMAGE but riot never fixed that to this date they just trashed her ult before level 16 and her passive and E. because small amounts of people (adcs) were complaining about too much mobility(1 dash on e 16 second cooldown and her ult dash where it has the range of garen's ultimate) and too much sheild because people were stacking CoTC with her passive and wasting it because you couldnt even get through 1 of the shields before they timed out until they nerfed both (If im not mistaken in the same patch).

Spank the FoxJan 26, 20184 votes

You do realize when Camille was released, she maxed E, right?

Your “16 second CD” tangent is really irrelevant because she often got it down to 5 seconds, stunned, gave a strong attack speed steriod and her “Garen range ult” was completely negated by the fact she often got on your face with her E.

Anyways, bruisers, trash, hehe.

GhaelWindsJan 26, 20183 votes

Camille still maxes E.

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 26, 20183 votes

The problem is that certain champs have so much more self peel than others.

Let's compare 2 adc as that's who you guys hate the most.

Tristana Self peel ult, Big dash with a reset.

Jinx Chompers that take a full second to arm

While lowering movementspeed would help a bruiser against both the champion who already has trouble getting away once you're on them gets screwed over much much more.

Then there's crap like bitch ass fiora who runs faster than an ulted Yi/Singed, like WTF why is she running faster than champs whose design is partially about being fast.

BoulderoxJan 25, 20182 votes

try the fact that botlane has item 3302 for free gold income mid has item 3303 jungle is jungle, and did they or are they planning to make the jungle items gold items to stop them buying spellthiefs on certain ones? While top laners that see success are KLEPTO USERS, the only ones that can get up to the levels of stupid free gold every other role gets some way.

Bruisers have the most expensive build path and people wonder why they are shit... tanks having the 3rd cheapest next to adc and caster ads All we need is items that ONLY melee can use that are improved variants of existing things, STOP tacking hp on every bruiser item and give it some defenses instead.

Pendergast891Jan 26, 20181 votes

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try the fact that botlane has for free gold income mid has jungle is jungle, and did they or are they planning to make the jungle items gold items to stop them buying spellthiefs on certain ones? While top laners that see success are KLEPTO USERS, the only ones that can get up to the levels of stupid free gold every other role gets some way.

Bruisers have the most expensive build path and people wonder why they are shit... tanks having the 3rd cheapest next to adc and caster ads All we need is items that ONLY melee can use that are improved variants of existing things, STOP tacking hp on every bruiser item and give it some defenses instead.

on the item 3303 line passive, they made it 12 second delay, up from 8 seconds, for minions AND jungle monsters now, so ap junglers probably wont be getting it anymore. They nerfed the items available and chance of getting them from klepto up until 15 minutes, (for melee only i think? ranged still has the reduced proc rate)

BoulderoxJan 26, 20182 votes

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on the line passive, they made it 12 second delay, up from 8 seconds, for minions AND jungle monsters now, so ap junglers probably wont be getting it anymore. They nerfed the items available and chance of getting them from klepto up until 15 minutes, (for melee only i think? ranged still has the reduced proc rate)

Thank you for the clarification so now adc can spam item 3302 and get their super cheap builds faster because all other gold options are weakened greatly... oh joy

ExecutionerJan 26, 20182 votes

I mean they just nerfed the item for this patch, so good bye relic.

OverpoweredSoapJan 26, 20184 votes

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Thank you for the clarification so now adc can spam and get their super cheap builds faster because all other gold options are weakened greatly... oh joy

Relic was nerfed for ranged too iirc.

Chembaron YamadaJan 26, 20184 votes

Yep, 50% reduced healing from the passive proc.

Z3SleeperJan 26, 20181 votes

I don't think that was the major change. The real big boy nerf was removing the shield passive. No more insane relic+overheal shield.

Chembaron YamadaJan 26, 20181 votes

The guy I replied to spoke about the ranged nerf. The removal of the passive shield affected everyone, not just ranged.

BoulderoxJan 28, 20181 votes

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Relic was nerfed for ranged too iirc.

thank you for this

Z3SleeperJan 26, 20182 votes

B R U I S E R S.

You mean Juggernauts?

Cuz Camille/Bruiser Yi/Shyvanna/Hecarim/Irelia/etc, have no problem getting to their targets.

DorkunedAurasJan 26, 20181 votes

The problem comes if, say, camille dashes onto the enemy Vayne, vayne condemns her. Now, camille wasn't even wall stunned, but Vayne can then readily kite her to death because their movespeed is comparable.

GhaelWindsJan 26, 20181 votes

Ultimate is basically another dash for the Camille. Rip true vision though.

DorkunedAurasJan 27, 20181 votes

True enough, but because the Vayne got Camille off of her, she has a bit of time to pump some damage, as Hextech Ultimatum is not very long range. By the time she gets back close enough to ult after the condemn, she's lost half her HP