Reconsider buffing Blue Kayn

Illabethe··6 votes·1,857 views

https://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/03/319-pbe-update-new-skins-chroma-and-more.html

Shadow Step (E) cooldown increased from 21/19/17/15/13 to 22/20/18/16/14 E cooldown is now 50% lower in Shadow Assassin form.

Yeah. So. Anyone whose ever encountered Blue Kayn..... knows exactly what he does:

He gains 30% extra damage as Magic, so he does hybrid damage, hard to defend from. He creates a Shadow that W's instead of him. 900 Range He gains 80% movement speed while Shadow step is active, AND becomes immune to Slows.

Now...... they are wanting to add this.

Blue Kayn is nearly an instant win champion when a team builds a poke team, enchanter team..... any team not built of bruiser junglers/mids/tops.

To illustrate what this change does on 40% CDR:

His MAX cooldown will be 11 seconds. His Min Cooldown will be 4.2 Seconds (14 seconds halved to 7, reduced by 40%)

4.2 Second cooldown on a wall walking skill that lasts for up to 9 seconds...... and can skip through 2 walls.


I know Blue Kayn is not as popular as the self sustaining red form. But, he is FAR more powerful in raw stats/game influence.

Anyone whose played Nami knows exactly what I'm talking about. She literally has no counterplay to Blue Kayn. His W will hit her if she tries to Q or R, and if she doesn't, he reaches her anyways, and can literally 1 shot her because of her low HP base. She can be on the other side of a lane and Kayn can STILL reach her, because of how far Shadow Step puts him out before it ends.

There are quite a few champs that Blue Kayn can 1 shot, even when not fed.


I'd like to know what other people think about this.

13 Comments

Super Sandmanne4 votes

Honestly, red kayn is still going to be the more popular transformation. Blue kayn might have better damage, but turning into a front liner can be the difference betweem winning and losing if both teams picked squishy top laners. I would assume this is going to try to bring the two in line.

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Sandmanne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tFjv90uL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-20T18:47:54.648+0000)

Honestly, red kayn is still going to be the more popular transformation. Blue kayn might have better damage, but turning into a front liner can be the difference betweem winning and losing if both teams picked squishy top laners. I would assume this is going to try to bring the two in line.

Eh. Honestly red kayn is likely always going to be the choice in most situations. Just because a front line tank slayer in the jungle tends to be a bit more useful than a assassin in the jungle. Especially with the xp nerfs gutting lethality junglers pretty hard.

Illabethe1 votes

Explain how XP hurts junglers. I jungle, and am almost ALWAYS the first to 18. Maybe you, or junglers you know, are just poor junglers.

Illabethe1 votes

A jungler doesn't have to be a front line...... so I'm confused how this is even a relevant conversation. There's plenty of junglers who are pure assassins/damage.

A blue kayn keeps everyone dead, so the purpose of a front line becomes irrelevant.

Super Sandmanne1 votes

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A jungler doesn't have to be a front line...... so I'm confused how this is even a relevant conversation. There's plenty of junglers who are pure assassins/damage.

A blue kayn keeps everyone dead, so the purpose of a front line becomes irrelevant.

Oh, I guess I wasn't clear. Allow me to clarify what I meant in my post.

Of course the jungler doesn't have to be the front line, that's not what I'm saying. Hell, there's like what? One viable tank jungler right now? My point was that having a front liner in your team comp is a huge advantage in the mid game and since solo queue top laners rarely pick front liners, if you pick kayn you'll likely go red regardless of how much damage blue puts out.

Illabethe1 votes

Nah. Blue kayns right now can rack up 30 kills a game. That's more agency than any tanking.

0 Hogapu4 votes

"We want Blue Kayn to be more played, so we buff it"

Why not nerf red Kayn for good tho (cause this slight nerf isn't anything, he needs life steal tweaks)

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MTFN Azor ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tFjv90uL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-20T20:21:04.071+0000)

"We want Blue Kayn to be more played, so we buff it"

Why not nerf red Kayn for good tho (cause this slight nerf isn't anything, he needs life steal tweaks)

Red kayn is shut down by a 800 gold item.

Red is played more than blue just because of their classes. Bruisers and tank slayers are just more valuable than assassins in the jungle.

Also jungle xp nerfs really hurt lethality junglers due to it scaling on level.

0 Hogapu3 votes

I mean, instead of healing for 40% of the damage he dealt, he will "only" heal for 20% right ?

Red Kayn either needs CD nerfs, or lifesteal nerfs. The champ has too much survivability, too much CC, too much mobility and temporisation potential. Even if he needs to transform for it, I believe the trade off is always in Kayn's favour.

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MTFN Azor ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tFjv90uL,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T09:47:12.880+0000)

I mean, instead of healing for 40% of the damage he dealt, he will "only" heal for 20% right ?

Red Kayn either needs CD nerfs, or lifesteal nerfs. The champ has too much survivability, too much CC, too much mobility and temporisation potential. Even if he needs to transform for it, I believe the trade off is always in Kayn's favour.

Healing wise it’s no different than any gunblade builder or anyone who gets lifesteal. And again. He is insanely easy to shut down without him being able to do anything about it, and if he doesn’t beat you in raw stats there isn’t a whole lot of room for outplays. Also, high telegraphed and easily to dodge kit. The only potion of his kit that isn’t dodgeable is the first potion of his q and his r if he lands anything.

The thigh guy3 votes

Or you could do anything to him. Punish his weak first 9-15 minutes Cc him Burst him Ward Build any resistance Build hp Exhaust him Dodge his highly predictable kit

Shadow assassin kayn is strong but not even close to warranting a nerf.

He is the actual weakest champion for the first 9 minutes of the game.

Illabethe2 votes

Weak early game? On a 6 second cooldown double hitting large AD scaling Q, and W? What? Some of the best jungle clear in the game? What?

You really have no clue how Kayn works.

Furthermore, no one asked for a NERF. THEY ARE BUFFING HIM. THEY ARE CUTTING THE E COOLDOWN IN HALF.

And wow. 38% win rate in ranked? B IV? What?

The thigh guy2 votes

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Weak early game? On a 6 second cooldown double hitting large AD scaling Q, and W? What? Some of the best jungle clear in the game? What?

You really have no clue how Kayn works.

Furthermore, no one asked for a NERF. THEY ARE BUFFING HIM. THEY ARE CUTTING THE E COOLDOWN IN HALF.

And wow. 38% win rate in ranked? B IV? What?

And that last little snip lost all validation to any argument you have.

Also. I’m a kayn one trick. :/ I know how he works. Before transformation he is the actual weakest champion in the game. After that he becomes one of the strongest. Do you even play him?

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