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Shyvana has a horrible build path right now

PapaGreg21··4 votes·585 views

For a champion that was given the Sejuani treatment with Devourer (40 AD twin bite, ugh), her most popular build path (and most successful) involves bloodrazor, titanic and straight tank. With the nerfs to Titanic and the general crappy feeling it is to try to fight anybody with just bloodrazor, her ability to be a moderate damage dealing juggernaut isn't reaching its potential. You simply have to buy too many things (tenacity, tankiness, AS, AD, an item with a cc ability active) to succeed making her never really hit any power points throughout the game. She has no identity right now other than a champion that is slightly below average at everything other than clearing jungle camps.

Some junglers are early game monsters that put a lot of pressure on the enemy team, and others are slow to start late game monsters that need to be shut down early so they can't dominate. Is Shyvana either of these? I don't think she is. Now Riot has already responded on the boards saying they aren't going to look at her anytime soon so I assume the best we can hope for is a buff to BOTRK which is the only item that provides AD, AS and that necessary active for her, making her somewhat of a mid game champ that can succeed after purchasing this in addition to a tanky item like Randuins. This would also give her a small amount of sustain to make playing her top lane at least somewhat viable again.

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8 Comments

Tormentula2 votes

Unpopular opinion, I feel like shy could use a rework...

She has been one of those champions with no defintion for a few seasons. Like think about it... is shy a tank? A damage dealer? A bruiser? A diver? Its hard to actually describe shy's role in a team.

She deals damage and goes tanky but builds attack speed? Thats kinda odd...

I just feel like she doesn't fit well with her current kit in the meta. Is she a bad champion? No but she could use a little more identity besides her turning into a dragon to be stronger concept (which isn't unique anymore with nidalee, elise, jayce, or any other ulti that just buffs you for a duration like trundle, heim, riven, vayne, etc.)

She's either completely busted and overpowered able to carry teams, or she's weak with no utility at all. I can't remember a fair and balanced shyvana patch besides maybe when she got nerfed before the bloodrazor additive, which basically nerfed her more hard.

PapaGreg211 votes

I would agree with you except I hope they try tweak the kit instead. If they made the rework decision it would probably be years until they got around to it after they finished all the other champs ahead of her on the list. It seems like once you get on that waiting list, they kind of leave you in a below average state as well until they get around to fixing you up which would probably be in season 8-9 at the earliest.

I agree with you that her kit requires her to build too many things. In the past we have had a solid BOTRK and Devourer so she could get all her shopping done with just one item and succeed. The current meta lacks that same itemization which is kind of a double slap in the face since they left the Q nerf as well.

Erockandroll2 votes

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Unpopular opinion, I feel like shy could use a rework...

She has been one of those champions with no defintion for a few seasons. Like think about it... is shy a tank? A damage dealer? A bruiser? A diver? Its hard to actually describe shy's role in a team.

She deals damage and goes tanky but builds attack speed? Thats kinda odd...

I just feel like she doesn't fit well with her current kit in the meta. Is she a bad champion? No but she could use a little more identity besides her turning into a dragon to be stronger concept (which isn't unique anymore with nidalee, elise, jayce, or any other ulti that just buffs you for a duration like trundle, heim, riven, vayne, etc.)

She's either completely busted and overpowered able to carry teams, or she's weak with no utility at all. I can't remember a fair and balanced shyvana patch besides maybe when she got nerfed before the bloodrazor additive, which basically nerfed her more hard.

May not require a Full rework. But if she lacks definition, Riot's going to have to be careful about what they do to her. Otherwise, they might give her an identity that alienates the player base. Put it simply, we need to decide what she should be.

I don't think it's fair to compare her ult to other duel forms. Nid, elise, and jayce use 2 forms with the expectation that the work in concert. While her's is a powerup from her normal form. (More like Gnar)

The one problem I see with Her kit is that AS stacking and Tankyness, seem contradictory with the current itemization available. Seeing as the only defensive AS item really available is Wit's end. We do have AA centric Juggernauts such as udyr and Olaf, but their AS is built in. Yet, with those AS centric Juggernauts, I can't see Riot supporting really good defensive options with AS.

The best way to fix that problem is either, remove her Reliance on AS. (Which could inhibit her synergy with on hit effects) Or do the opposite, and remove her reliance on defensive itemization.

And the last problem would be her uniqueness. What can she offer to the team? Given that she has the dive potential from her ult, but without a ton of lockdown, and a mix of damage and defenses, I'd compare her most closely to hercarim. Now obviously, Herc has way better speed than Shyv, but what can/should, Shyv offer her team that Herc can't?

Aptest3 votes

Shyvana's "identity" is that she's a tanky damage dealer that crashes into your team and mashes you up.

Sadly, there are a lot of other champions that do just that, so her "identity" is not unique enough.

What is missing IMHO is "why specifically shyvana"

Great Muta2 votes

It's so sad to see what they did to Shyvanna. A million ways to build her and all of them suck. She's an ineffictive tank and is little more than a farmer.

genya031 votes

Shy's needs a new kit, that's all. If Riot wants her to be strong again, at least give her a minor buff.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Shyvana isn't a tank. There is your first problem. She is a fighter. She has no CC, she fills a role just like Garen or Mundo as a consistent source of threat that is tanky. Also the current Bloodrazor isn't good enough to warrant buying it on her.

I have heavy success on her, and lots of kill potential. Smite item > Titan > Cinderhulk > Deadmans > Banshees > BotrK/Warmogs/Zz'Rot.

If they reworked her into a tank. I'd be mad.

If they reworked her into an assassin or other high damage, squishy fighter, I'd probably quit League. People who say she has no identity don't play her. She is basically Garen in the jungle. She deals consistent fighter damage, with the ability to leap, become tankier and deal consistent AoE damage. She is a threat tank, that makes herself worth targeting, but doesn't die easily. There are several of these in the game: Nasus, Garen, Mundo, Udyr, Illoai, Morde, Olaf, Renekton, Swain, Yorick and Volibear all serve similar roles in a team fight. They aren't true tanks. Nor do they do the most damage. They are a consistent threat who makes themselves worth targeting, but hard to kill. Shyvana also has amazing counter jungle potential, amazing clear times and great split pushing power as she can outduel many champions in the game. She has a home in the game and it is fairly solid.

Don't push Riot into a rework on a champion who is solid. And have it destroyed and turned into something it isn't.

PapaGreg211 votes

I never said she was a tank. I said juggernaut in the post. I also have talked in the post how I DON'T want her reworked and felt she needed itemization help more than anything (possibly buffing BOTRK again.) I don't even think you read everything as you are arguing with points that wern't made. Also, you are 3-3 with Shyvana this year averaging 2 kills in ranked. That doesn't seem like heavy success and it doesn't seem like kill potential.

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