Does talon do too much damage early game?

AR URF·Jun 28, 2017·3 votes·1,463 views

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Thoughts?

11 Comments

KVbqbFsC8eJun 28, 20172 votes

Yes. Its a good thing nobody plays him.

Edge of DaybreakJun 28, 20171 votes

You walked straight at him while at like 75% hp and a level down then took his full combo + 2 auto attacks and ignite. You definitely should have died and that's not exactly a normal situation.

AR URFJun 28, 20171 votes

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You walked straight at him while at like 75% hp and a level down then took his full combo + 2 auto attacks and ignite. You definitely should have died and that's not exactly a normal situation.

I'm the yasuo player.

Edge of DaybreakJun 28, 20171 votes

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I'm the yasuo player.

K I got you fam. Your jungler was a godfist lee sin who saw the status of your lane and thought you know what this talon needs? Double buffs and 400 gold. So he came walking in and took the full combo + ignite and an additional auto dying. It's not a normal situation but damn if it doesn't happen a lot.

AR URFJun 28, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stabby Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t874MTpK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-28T04:37:17.336+0000)

K I got you fam. Your jungler was a godfist lee sin who saw the status of your lane and thought you know what this talon needs? Double buffs and 400 gold. So he came walking in and took the full combo + ignite and an additional auto dying. It's not a normal situation but damn if it doesn't happen a lot.

He spent the rest of the game blaming me for everything. After the first blood that talon roamed and killed other laners. The vayne carried us though.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 28, 20171 votes

so let me get this right... due to bad play of a human in a game we blame the champ and claim that its riots fault cuz they dont know how to balance the game?

and its bad for a champ who is suppose to be a roaming assassin to have front loaded damage ?

is there anything im missing?

AR URFJun 28, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t874MTpK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-28T05:14:03.571+0000)

so let me get this right... due to bad play of a human in a game we blame the champ and claim that its riots fault cuz they dont know how to balance the game?

and its bad for a champ who is suppose to be a roaming assassin to have front loaded damage ?

is there anything im missing?

Well I mean he bursted that lee sin pretty good at his level. I'm just asking for your opinions, but it seems like you like to flame.

If you want people to like you I suggest you don't flame or be a smartass.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 28, 20171 votes

im not flaming anyone

and i dont give two fuks who likes me and not... sorry my ego isnt that fragile

my comment is a generalization of the community on the boards crying foul about the game and want to blame the items, champs, the game maker etc everything then just hey maybe i screwed up... maybe i didnt realize what items talon what abilities he had up. what is the damage out put of a full combo from talon. and so on.... so it much be the balance of the game right?

but if you take that as flame then you must have a sad fragile ego when it was not directed at you... it was a generalization

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 28, 20171 votes

talon is lvl 4

are you aware if how his damage is amplified via his passive ? http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Talon

at lvl 4 talon had 1 point in W 1 point in Q and 2 points in E his items were item 3134 item 3133 so from items he has 50ad 10 lethality he ran 3 ad quints for 6.75 ad +5 ad reds for 4.75 ad = 12ad and he has 6.4 lethality with runes giving him 62 ad plus 16 lethality plus his base ad of 67 ad at lvl 4 so base he has 129ad and 16 lethality then if you want to include his +8 ad from masteries then he took fresh blood which is 10+4 for 14 bonus damage on 1st auto to enemy +double edge for +3% damage and then he has assassin mastery for +2 % damage and then merciless for +3% damage to targets below 40% hp then he has precision for more lethality and ap on it with natural talent ap he gets plus thunderlords which procs doing bonus damage based on ad and ap then you include ignite

a lvl 4 talon who is an ASSASSIN can easily 100-0 a target with that set up

and im not doing the math of the damage on his abilities with his passive and scaling based on his ad stats + lethality and all the % increases he has in masteries

DunkinNoobsJun 28, 20171 votes

He kinda has to. He has to jump directly on top of people to trade properly and has no real tools to prevent himself from being poked, so he needs to be a threat to go in even at early levels.

Alex h8721Jun 28, 20171 votes

If talon is a level up on you that early (very few items/combat stats) and gets both hits from W, Q's and auto's for his passive he probably should kill you (ignite was just the cherry on top).

Talon's early damage is fine considering how much harder it gets for him to do his job of killing a squshy and getting out by the time lategame hits.