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Why is Quinn labeled "Marksman/Fighter"?

Valor Bot·Aug 30, 2015·13 votes·5,807 views

I understand the Marksman bit, but Fighter?

From the League of Legends Wikia:

Fighter: A hybrid champion ... that combines the survivability of a tank and the damage of a DPS or a caster. They were formerly called Bruisers.

But does Quinn really have the survivability to justify her Fighter label? Sure, she's good at 1v1s in the right hands, but this is in part due to her burst and blind, not her defenses. Methinks Assassin would be a more appropriate label for her secondary:

Assassin: A champion type whose forte is rapidly ambushing and slaying enemy champions. They have abilities that may include stealthing themselves or having a strong dash skill.

Quinn's ult not only puts the player melee, but grants him/her a massive AS and MS boost, as well as a targeted dash to help Valor stick to his prey. Any squishy target that's out of position and isn't massively ahead of Quinn can very well find themselves 100-0ed in a swift flurry of feathers and claws.

Not that it's a big deal, but I do think Assassin would be more fitting, as that is what her ultimate is good for.

26 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoirAug 30, 201521 votes

Agreed. Assassin would probably be more fitting than Fighter given how she is usually played.

Photos of GhostsAug 30, 20151 votes

D: HAO DAER U jk ily but hao daer u

Chromatic EagleAug 30, 20151 votes

Do you have any idea as to why she was labeled that in the first place? If Quinn has any fighter traits in her kit, should it be reworked to become an Assassin as well?

Similar question to Elise. I don't play her well, but wouldn't a giant spider be more of an assassin?

Did you decide what to rework Diana into? A mage fighter, or mage assassin?

TsumikiriAug 30, 20154 votes

Oh man, you have no idea how happy I am that you said this. I play Quinn mostly as an assassin in mid lane, and I was really worried that her upcoming (?) changes would make her into an ADC.

And before I get any hate: yeah I know most people play her top and a fair amount of people still play her in the ADC role, I just prefer mid. I think that Quinn's ability to work in any lane is one of the coolest things about her, actually.

MelledoneusAug 31, 20151 votes

Pshh. Quinn Jungle is best.

(Just kidding. I don't own nor will I ever have the skill to play Quinn.)

dragonboytsubasaOct 5, 20151 votes

Quinn Jungle actually works though. Decent clear, survivability from blind; and mobility let her gank well pre 6, and REALLY well post 6.

IcyPepperAug 31, 20152 votes

Can't she be an ADC in mid and top anyway? Lane doesn't dictate role (usually).

Although you could probably build a more AD assassin build on her, tho.

TsumikiriSep 3, 20151 votes

Sorry I should've been more clear. When I said ADC I really meant bot-lane marksman. You're absolutely right about her being playable as an ADC in any lane. Really you could be an Assassin, Bruiser/Fighter, or Marksman in any lane with Quinn, which is one of the best things about her. :)

Ironclad DragonAug 30, 20154 votes

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Agreed. Assassin would probably be more fitting than Fighter given how she is usually played.

On that note, Xerath and Malzahar aren't Assassins. Just because they can pick off people they choose does not mean they're assassins. Assassins are quick, in-your-face, get-in-and-get-out champions. Xerath and Malzahar are not.

NTG DeathAug 31, 20152 votes

@RiotRepertoir I just want to know if you are still working on her as you said before , please don't give up.

Quinn needs you :(

Photos of GhostsAug 31, 20152 votes

Don't rework her tho, just bugfix her :c

Critmaster GarenAug 30, 20153 votes

valor. her ultimate gives her a melee form, remember?

CreationFlawAug 30, 20151 votes

Still squishy.

Critmaster GarenAug 30, 20156 votes

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Still squishy.

so are yi, fiora, tryn and yasuo. they still count as fighters.

Photos of GhostsAug 30, 20153 votes

Only if you build her to not have an ultimate :^)

CreationFlawAug 30, 20152 votes

item 3078 item 3071 item 3143 item 3006 item 3065 item 3153 item 2140

Pretty solid, able to easily kill squishies and still survive.

I mean, I guess you can trade Randuins for Deadman's now though.

EagleheartAug 31, 20151 votes

triforce black cleaver

pick one.

Photos of GhostsAug 31, 20151 votes

That's why I swapped for Iceborn after the update.

CatastropAug 30, 20152 votes

Yeah but Fighters generally do sustained combat while still being able to avoid damage one way or another. Quinn fits the bill, because of her Vault and because of Valor.

Valor BotAug 30, 20151 votes

That makes sense.

Teridax68Aug 30, 20152 votes

Those definitions you quoted are outdated and have been replaced on the wiki a while ago: fighters are an extremely large group of champions whose commonality is a focus on DPS and survivability, which isn't necessarily raw tankiness. Some fighters, like MasterYi or Fiora , aren't really that tanky, and Quinn fits the light fighter theme when she goes into melee form, as she's still more focused on DPS and extending her lifespan (mainly through her blind) than she is about laying down hard burst. Granted, she lacks the same kind of active defenses as Yi, Fiora or Yasuo in melee form, and has more burst than the average marksman (especially against low-health targets), but doesn't quite fit the assassin model, particularly since her melee form lacks an escape of its own. It's likely Valor should be changed to be more of an assassin, but right now Quinn's more of a marksman-fighter than a marksman-assassin.

StellafreyjaAug 31, 20152 votes

I think the only reason for that is because of Valor. When she uses Tag Team, she becomes melee range, i.e. a fighter. I find it kind of stupid. They either need to change it to Assassin as some people are stating, or just make her pure Marksman.

Another weird label is Syndra. Mage/Support.

Photos of GhostsAug 30, 20151 votes

item 3153 item 3025 item 3065 item 3071 item 3172 item 3111 item 3047 item 3742 item 3068 Here's how Quinn is a fighter. Only Vlad and similar champs can survive that.

Zeus JukemAug 31, 20152 votes

with 9 items idk if anyone could lmao

Jungle Lux GodAug 30, 20151 votes

Valor is melee.

The fighter tag likely refers to Valor being a light fighter, which doesn't build a lot of defenses but also doesn't burst like an assassin.

EvilMerodachAug 30, 20151 votes

Meh, I play Quinn bruiser/tank top more than adc/'marksman' Use passive as main source of poke, disengage with E every time they try to engage, passive win/outfarm till they're dumb and go in too hard and murk them. Build full tank other than BotRK. It's a fairly boring laning phase..but hard to lose, and end up a pretty strong team fighter once you get to that stage.

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