i really dont like the new veigar.

lolipopevelynn·May 18, 2016·1 votes·320 views

He just feels too assassiny now. having to flash in to ks someone and completely unable to kill anyone mid unless he lands a full rotation now.

he just doesnt feel good to play anymore. right now he feels more oriented to poking than bursting. before he was THE go to burst mage, but now what is even the point? throwing ur ult at someone with 500 HP left who is going to die REGARDLESS of what you throw at them?

the changes to his Q and E were bad enough, but his R change was the nail in the coffin.

7 Comments

AeroWaffleMay 18, 20161 votes

I can't think of many mages that don't throw their full rotation to kill someone.

YordlelayhehooMay 18, 20161 votes

Once those Azir nerfs go through and Ryze gets reworked...again, I think Viegar will see a resurgence in the mid lane.

His zoning ability is still some of the best in the game, the itemization changes certainly helped him. He can now more consistently stack his passive. His laning phase is super safe with a W max. He's also one of the few traditional mages that wants to run teleport.

ParoeMay 18, 20161 votes

wha? assassiny?

Are you not harassing with Q like you should be?

You harass with Q until theyre half health, then trap them and land another Q or a W before executing them with your ult that executes.

lolipopevelynnMay 18, 20161 votes

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wha? assassiny?

Are you not harassing with Q like you should be?

You harass with Q until theyre half health, then trap them and land another Q or a W before executing them with your ult that executes.

you mean exactly like Zed playstyle? sounds about right

ParoeMay 18, 20161 votes

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you mean exactly like playstyle? sounds about right

Veigars skillshot is slower than zeds, doesnt pass through everything, and takes actual skill to land ;3 But keep looking, im sure youl see the devil in the almighty eventually.

QuephaMay 18, 20161 votes

It's pretty obvious why riot removed a mechanic who's only purpose was to turn a button into a targeted insta-kill spell based on arbitrary build choices.

Athenes LuluMay 18, 20161 votes

You should've seen Veigar pre-5.4, where his stun was not only instant, DFG's existence actually made his gameplay more assassin-like, and most of his damages are single-target. With these three in coexistence, it is not uncommon to play him as the "immobile assassin".

Because of how stupidly inefficient it takes for him to AP farm, many Veigar players omitted the "Q farming" mechanic and just use it as a way to bully enemy laners, even against assassins.

Veigar post-5.4 made him more magelike Q being able to hit two targets is actually pretty big especially in teamfights, and that dueling is not just "press buttons as quickly as possible" but rather "use some brain and trap THEN kill enemies". Veigar post-6.9 actually opens up more options for him to actually make the AP stacking actually worth farming for as well as encouraging him to trade with enemies in lane.

If you think new ult is a problem, his old one wasn't any better because:

If you're an AP mid you might as well lose simply because of counterpicking. Think of it this way: Sona was reworked because she was the definition of "pick to win" where people she counters has nearly no retaliation, and people who counters her is pretty much an auto-win. Veigar was very close to that mainly because of his ult.
With enough AP he can pretty much 100-0 squishies with a click of the R button. And again, huzzah for counterplay, even if you build SOME MR. That was the definition of assassination. Making the new ult an execute-oriented spell actually removes a good deal of that assassination playstyle.

In fact, a lot of mages have that "lock someone down, then finish him off with your combo" for the longest time. Think Lux, Annie, or even Vel'Koz. They don't have assassination playstyles, yet that's what they pretty much do. Veigar is pretty much one of those, but like those guys, he can teamfight just as well.