For those of you saying BotRK needs buffs...

Meeks011·Apr 9, 2015·4 votes·509 views

AD is worth about 36 gold each because is 360 gold and 10 AD and 360/10 = 36 per AD. BotRK essentially adds AD of a variable amount.

It's so gold efficient at all percentages of HP that it's not even funny. Let's take a 2000 HP squishy target. 100% HP - 160 damage per attack or 5760 gold's worth. 75% HP - 120 damage per attack or 4320 gold's worth. 50% HP - 80 damage per attack or 2880 gold's worth. 25% HP - 40 damage per attack or 1440 gold's worth. And nobody think's Wit's End needs buffs? BotRK deals more damage than Wit's End all the way down to 25% HP.

Now let's look at a healthier target (Sejuani, 6000 HP) 100% HP - 480 damage per attack or 17280 gold's worth. 75% HP - 360 damage per attack or 12960 gold's worth. 50% HP - 240 damage per attack or 8640 gold's worth. 25% HP - 120 damage per attack or 4320 gold's worth.

If you think Sejuani is OP then just get a .

is NOTHING compared to this.

4 Comments

ValyrianBladeApr 9, 20152 votes

Someone actually said BotRK needs buffs?

Items that need nerfs in order: Last Whisper, BotRK, Ravenous Hydra, Cinderhulk

Meeks011Apr 9, 20151 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JiJFxyVE-riot-if-black-cleaver-provides-too-much-anti-squishy-and-anti-tank-in-one-item-what-about-bork

ValyrianBladeApr 9, 20151 votes

That thread isn't calling for BoRK buffs... it's calling for nerfs if anything. More specifically, to make it less "all-purpose" and more "single-purpose" of dealing with high HP targets. I honestly think that thread is dead-on, BoRK should be a counter to HP stacking and be inefficient otherwise. The same reason why I have LW as the item needing nerfs before it, Last Whisper should be a counter to Armor Stacking and should be inefficient otherwise, yet with just the base armor values plus runes and masteries on pretty much all champions Last Whisper is ridiculously gold efficient and slot efficient.

To go in to further details on the others: Ravenous Hydra lets melee champions whose weakness is supposed to be lack of waveclear get waveclear and eliminate their biggest weakness. Putting that on an item which:

builds out of tiamat, so you get the waveclear in your build path, and a reasonably easy build path that has no moment of weakness
Offers a lot of damage and lifesteal, valuable stats to melee champions
Has a burst active is just really overpowered for a single item.

Cinderhulk does something I suggested ages ago, give tank junglers more clear help through a jungle item for tanks. It was brilliant when I suggested it and still is brilliant that Riot implemented it. The problem is the Percent Bonus HP, making it incredibly late game focused. You can't give a jungle item early game clear and gank power on top of making it the best late game item in the game, all for only 1500 to upgrade. Warrior and Magus give flat bonuses that become less significant over time. Devourer starts out quite weak and only gets strong late. Cinderhulk gives stats that are needed for tanks to clear early, AND incredible late power. Something is wrong there.