Can Twitch become a jungler?

Meeks011·Jul 15, 2015·24 votes·1,735 views

He's more of an assassin of a marksmen, and jungle Twitch was super viable in Season 4. His Q makes for great ganks (invisibility) and almost-mediocre clears (attack speed) but he has no sustain, defense, hard CC, or burst so he can easily die at first buff or have to recall.

What I suggest is his passive's damage be doubled against monsters and heal for the damage dealt. He would heal only a constant 12 health per second at level 1 (Machete is 7 and upgraded is 10) which isn't really much when you take Warwick or Nunu into account or realize he has no defense whatsoever and he's ranged so he has low armor.

I know I'm not allowed to compare him to Kalista because she's another champion but her E having Twitch W + E 2.0 is a big spit onto his face but changing his role and giving him strengths would help him become viable.

29 Comments

TotalJerkJul 15, 20153 votes

Oh fuck no. They can buff Twitch all they want, but that little rat needs to STAY in lane.

IcyPepperJul 15, 20156 votes

What's wrong with not forcing a champion into a specific role/lane?

TotalJerkJul 15, 20152 votes

Can you imagine a viable jungle Teemo?

IcyPepperJul 15, 20152 votes

No, but thankfully Teemo isn't Twitch. I can live with Twitch jungle.

TotalJerkJul 15, 20152 votes

Point being that it's a good thing that certain champions can't do certain roles optimally.

BlueBanthaMilkJul 15, 20151 votes

Double poison Devourer XD. Makes up for the crappy ganks lategame.

TotalJerkJul 15, 20153 votes

That's not even my point. Teemo's mushrooms are kept in check because he can mostly only place them around top without leaving his lane for too long. If he was a jungler there'd be shrooms fucking everywhere.

rockdalianJul 16, 20151 votes

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Double poison Devourer XD. Makes up for the crappy ganks lategame.

From my test dbl poison teemo with liandrys and rylais is stupid strong still squishy as hell though

Meeks011Jul 16, 20151 votes

Yes! He needs to be a jungler too. You chose the worst example. Boots of mobility are recommended on all junglers and he has them built in, they aren't much of a help in lane. He is able to put shrooms in more than top lane, he can spam them all over the map. I've heard stories of Teemo jungle shrooming the enemy jungle and making the enemy jungler basically into your bitch.

rockdalianJul 16, 20151 votes

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Can you imagine a viable jungle Teemo?

He can do it at least lower Elo I will say sated can make them both op builds stacks faster try twitch with sated and botrk give u more than enough sustain tank shred and gets your e max stacks faster

Pretty DhiziJul 16, 20153 votes

Twitch has been a jungler since his reworking. If anything, his ratios need buffed after the introductions of other superior marksmen.

idokiJul 16, 20151 votes

Twitch has been a jungler since before season 3.

Very Hard EngageJul 15, 20152 votes

i wouldn't mind if his casket ability was changed, or his E really. both are meh.

XeroKimoJul 15, 20152 votes

It was season 2 and 3 mind you season 4 he became a meh jungler

junglerboy16Jul 16, 20151 votes

he's pretty solid with the new devourer though. Not as OP as he was when Feral flare was first released (that heal on-hit tho), but definitely doable again.

Variks the LoyalJul 15, 20151 votes

I remember playing Twitch jungle. It was so much fun, being able to circumvent wards. I would absolutely love if they brought it back somehow, he would do great with a Sated Devourer.

Meeks011Jul 16, 20151 votes

Meh, it wouldn't really affect his passive much.

On jungle Vayne it's broke as fuck though.

Variks the LoyalJul 16, 20151 votes

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Meh, it wouldn't really affect his passive much.

On jungle Vayne it's broke as fuck though.

Not for his passive, for his ult.

CrettJul 15, 20151 votes

twitch needs SOMETHING, because while he is insanity when at full build, it's pretty hard to make it with all these lane bullies

A Miss FortuneJul 16, 20151 votes

I feel like I could just play Vayne and do everything that Twitch does but better with the exception of his godly teamfighting. But really, you need to have a team that is communicating to make use of his teamfighting. I don't even know if it's worth playing him aside from Teams.

Meeks011Jul 16, 20151 votes

Yeah, your team surrenders before you reach your 2nd or third item.

junglerboy16Jul 16, 20151 votes

He already can jungle. It's hard to do and sorta risky, but it is definitely a thing. You just need to make use of your poison to soft leash camps, and then rush Devourer>BotRK>PD>IE>Situational item and boots whenever you need them. you clear just enough camps to stay caught up in gold early on (once you get devourer, you need to stack it ASAP) and chain gank like the assassin you are.

You stack up your passive in as few as 3 AAs with the new devourer, which allows you to get teamwide expunges in a matter of 2 seconds with your ult on.

EDIT: If he really needs more sustain in the jungle, then they could give him a passive on expunge that heals him for a small amount if he expunges a max stack critter, but getting free HP5 just for AAing a jungle mob is broken as heck, especially at the rate you suggested (to put it in perspective, that would be like giving him the healing of 3 Spirit Visages just for attacking a camp).

hopadopagopalasJul 16, 20151 votes

i think i would be nice even if they just make it so that contaminate refreshes the timer on his passive. so it would be a little easier to keep his passive up.

rtbf209142555Jul 16, 20151 votes

I honestly do not get the Twitch the Kalista comparison at all. They serve completely different roles as an ADC. Kalistas E really is not that similar to Twicths because even those abilities serve different functions; they just do so similarly. Twitch is closer to Miss Fortune than any other ADC with a bit of vayne thrown in the mix. Second I don't want twitch jungle becoming a thing for two reasons. One it would honestly be pretty cancer to play against. He would just be a ranged Evelyn. Can you imagine the level two ganks? Bot lane would have to buy a pink ward or they would even with double flash probably because of red buff slow. Second I love ADC twitch, and imo he's still really strong. Though he needs two changes: First revert his expunge nerfs so he gets some of his trading power back. Second change his to have a starting time of 1.75 to stealth then per point it goes down by .25 seconds this way when mid game team fights start Twitch is able to stealth quicker stopping him from being dove as effectively while not being able to abuse it for skirmishes early on.

Jungle Lux GodJul 16, 20151 votes

We can buff Twitch in the jungle all we want, but I don't think Twitch would ever become a meta jungler not because of what is wrong with his kit, but because of the problems Marksman junglers have in the jungle.

You look at tank junglers and see how weak they are in the early game, but they get an item to help them out with their biggest problem in the mid-game.

You look at AP junglers and see how weak they are in the early game, but they get an item to help them out with their biggest problem in the mid-game.

Marksman junglers are the same deal, except they don't get that item.

The AD jungle item is tuned so much to how strong AD bruiser/assassin junglers are in the early game that they don't need an item to fix their flaws because they don't have any.

This also doesn't include the fact that Marksmen primarily need gold in order to scale into the later stages of the game, but in the jungle they don't get that gold, and therefore can't scale well until the late game.

rockdalianJul 16, 20151 votes

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We can buff Twitch in the jungle all we want, but I don't think Twitch would ever become a meta jungler not because of what is wrong with his kit, but because of the problems Marksman junglers have in the jungle.

You look at tank junglers and see how weak they are in the early game, but they get an item to help them out with their biggest problem in the mid-game.

You look at AP junglers and see how weak they are in the early game, but they get an item to help them out with their biggest problem in the mid-game.

Marksman junglers are the same deal, except they don't get that item.

The AD jungle item is tuned so much to how strong AD bruiser/assassin junglers are in the early game that they don't need an item to fix their flaws because they don't have any.

This also doesn't include the fact that Marksmen primarily need gold in order to scale into the later stages of the game, but in the jungle they don't get that gold, and therefore can't scale well until the late game.

Sated devourer + botrk there's adc jungle mid game spike

Jungle Lux GodJul 16, 20151 votes

Twitch would still need to wait for about a total of 20 minutes to get that spike. Tanks and AP's only need to farm 10 minutes for that.

This also doesn't include the fact that marksman junglers can still get bullied to a degree that tanks and AP's don't get bullied.

rockdalianJul 16, 20151 votes

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Twitch would still need to wait for about a total of 20 minutes to get that spike. Tanks and AP's only need to farm 10 minutes for that.

This also doesn't include the fact that marksman junglers can still get bullied to a degree that tanks and AP's don't get bullied.

I don't disagree but at lower Elo's like myself it's a lot easier to get away with these kind of shenanigans