Fiddlesticks needs a nerf

Cloud273··3 votes·1,259 views

No one can get close to him without taking massive damage. He counters literally every melee champ in this game with his point and click fear (except Olaf after 6). And he's practically immune to damage when he does his drain. CC'ing him is usually not an option, since you can't get close to him without being feared, and there's usually someone more important you have to blow your CC on (assassin, adc, etc). So, he's impossible to focus, one of the best cc's in this game that isn't even an ult, and massive AOE damage. And let's not forget his get out of jail free card Zhonyas. Please nerf the scarecrow.

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67chrome5 votes

He counters literally every melee champ in this game with his point and click fear

Not really. His fear is really annoying, but if you have any CC capable of interrupting channeled skills he'll get ~2 seconds of Drain damage out before being out of tricks, then he's stuck in melee range against a melee champion as a mage with whimpy auto-attacks. That doesn't usually end well for him, especially if the melee in question could build MR against him. Also, his ult has a massive channel time where it can be interrupted, which significantly reduces his potency against melee champions in general. You can't use Fiddle's ult as a response, you can only use it when surprising people - which opens up significant weaknesses to being flanked and stabbed in the back, and, well, assassins are all about out-maneuvering their prey.

As for Fiddle in general - the biggest counter to him is ward coverage, as his ult essentially requires him to surprise opponents to be effective. With proper coverage you can see him coming and just disperse so he hits nobody with his ult, or you can even interrupt him while he's channeling it so he gets no flash and no damage at all.

Trying to 1v1 him with a marksman is a terrible idea though.

The one change I would make for fiddle, and this goes for other champions, is to stop allowing their ult to persist through the zonya's effect.

You do realize: Annie Anivia Azir Brand Cassiopeia Evelynn Fizz Gragas Heimerdinger Karma Karthus Lissandra Lux Orianna Rumble Velkoz Ziggs Zyra can all AoE nuke a team so hard they auto-win a team fight, but with significantly faster cast speeds and massive range, right? None of them have to actually build tanky items to survive long enough to do their job properly. Many of them apply hard CC in an AoE with their faster, longer ranged skill as well.

For Fiddlesticks to get the same type of team-fight impact where he can AoE nuke things, he physically has to throw himself in the middle of an enemy team. Which is quite possibly the dumbest strategy imaginable. How would he even be viable if he couldn't combo his ult with Zhonya's?

Final Emperor2 votes

Couldn't of said it better myself. Brilliant reply to a silly post.

Pinker 103 votes

Bahahahahahah

You funny.

  1. Fear length was already halved. Not to mention you now run away from people that fear you instead of in circles, that hurt him more than the fear length nerf

  2. he's countered by a summoner spell. You don't even have to buy anything.

3.If he ults and zhonya's and you stand in the ult while he's zhonya'd... that's on you

4.Positioning

5.Ahri Amumu Annie Ashe Anivia Blitzcrank Brand Braum Cassiopeia Aatrox Chogath Darius Draven Elise Fizz Galio Garen Gnar Gragas Hecarim Heimerdinger Irelia Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Kassadin Kayle Kennen Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lissandra Lulu Malphite Malzahar Maokai Morgana Nami Nautilus Nocturne Orianna Pantheon Poppy Rammus RekSai Renekton Riven Sejuani Shaco Shen Shyvana Singed Sion Skarner Sona Soraka Syndra Taric Thresh Tristana TwistedFateUdyr Urgot Vayne Veigar Velkoz Vi Viktor Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Yasuo Zac Ziggs Zyra item 3102 item 3139 item 3111 item 3140 item 3157 summoner 14

6.Wards are your friend.

Only Play Darius1 votes

LOL.

Fiddlesticks is fine as he is, he has already been nerfed repeatedly.

Now if your talking about ARAM, then I agree with you.

OhOkYeah1 votes

His ult has to be channeled for ages. You can see him doing it and literally all you have to do is right click away from him and you're out of range of all of his spells. It's terrible unless you're pushing your lane way too far and he gets behind you. Yes if you go all in to a fiddle he will R, Q, E and kill you. But literally all you have to do is right click on the map to counter his entire kit. That's it.

Epicusmaximo1 votes

The one change I would make for fiddle, and this goes for other champions, is to stop allowing their ult to persist through the zonya's effect.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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The one change I would make for fiddle, and this goes for other champions, is to stop allowing their ult to persist through the zonya's effect.

How are you going to buff Fiddle's for making his ultimate a suicide button after laning phase?

Epicusmaximo1 votes

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How are you going to buff Fiddle's for making his ultimate a suicide button after laning phase?

He doesn't need a buff. If his team can't tank for him, or provide peels while he kites or fears, then that's just tough shit.

I've played a LOT of fiddle, and I love the champ, but being able to zonya and keep the ult going is just stupid.

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