Top, mid, and jungle won?

General Esdeath ·Feb 11, 2018·44 votes·1,918 views

Too bad, bot lane fed harder than a turkey dinner, can't touch the marksman because of their slave keeping them safe

good game design

57 Comments

KennysDreamGirlFeb 11, 201812 votes

If all other roles are wining yet do nothing to stop the botlane then that's your fault

KuboxFeb 11, 20181 votes

"Towers are worthless but also not worthless enough for our fed solo laners to just show up bot and crash the enemy bot lane's party"

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

Sorry I can't roam bottom at 7 minutes, my tower is made of paper and will die.

SociaI JusticeFeb 18, 20181 votes

why doesn't bot lane have to do something about all other lanes winning? :^) remember when good supports won bot and then went to roam to help rest of the team? remember when things other than bot lane mattered? well i do and i kind of miss those times and i'm sure a lot of actually good support players do also cause riot removed a lot of supports skill expression recently.

KennysDreamGirlFeb 18, 20181 votes

I never said bot lane doesn't have to help other lanes if they're wining.

UnboundHadesFeb 11, 201810 votes

Let's just mindlessly complain and give no feedback that'll show them

General Esdeath Feb 11, 201817 votes

You can check my match history, various streamers, various posts.

This is my feedback, and while it's a drop in the ocean I'll put it out there.

UnboundHadesFeb 11, 20187 votes

No this isn't feedback this is mindless complaining if you want to give actual feedback give suggestions don't just cry like a baby and let other people explain everything for you

SEKAIFeb 11, 20186 votes

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No this isn't feedback this is mindless complaining if you want to give actual feedback give suggestions don't just cry like a baby and let other people explain everything for you

To be fair, people have been giving suggestions on this topic (professional or otherwise) for at least 4-5 years. Not much has changed, though, unfortunately.

AirKingNeoFeb 12, 20183 votes

Ha. Riot doesn't give a shit whether you give suggestions or not.

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

"Yeah man, Riot has ignored you for years, I'm sure this time they'll listen xDDD"

Yeah, that sure seems to be the case here, friendo!

341123545652Feb 11, 201817 votes

Lets just make retarded comments that arent even relevant , that'll show them

CeolFeb 11, 201810 votes

I find it annoying how both the ADC and Support roles have been power-crept.

Leona was picked for her heavy engage and ability to peel with her abilities. Now, if she screws up, or if the enemy outplays her, then she just pops item 3190 and negates a massive amount of their burst. item 3109 also makes the caught-out AD more tanky and harder to burst. Not sure why champions who weren't designed to shield or heal are capable of buying items that allow them to do that. Kinda removes tactical picks when you have a shield on any one of them that greatly boosts an AD's survival. Supports feel more like active items than anything right now, and these actives have an incredible amount of power and utility. Utility and effects (shielding, healing, ally damage reduction) that isn't accounted for in the champions' designed 'counter-play'.

I can outplay a Leona E/Q/R, but I can't outplay her Locket, which then allows the AD to sustain through my burst and kill me afterwards. Maybe Supports have also been given too many reliable tools to disengage/peel in the event someone outplays their kits.

GelmousFeb 11, 20189 votes

another troll post, move on people.

TreeDayBanFeb 11, 20188 votes

So a support does their job and you are mad about it? This is most people's problem. They wanna solo carry a game, go 20/0, and no one should be able to stop them. This is a team game. This is a game with roles and jobs to do in a game. If some team is playing better, as a team, they are going to beat you in current league. Deal with it.

General Esdeath Feb 11, 201835 votes

"OK Dave, we're gonna design this role to be a glass cannon. All damage. If they play it wrong they're screwed. They also scale into the game later and harder than anyone, so let's add a role to help them out early."

"But what if we make them scale into the game even earlier and have that second class remove any counterplay?"

"Someone promote this man to the head of the balance team!"

TreeDayBanFeb 11, 20186 votes

Thats called teamwork. What they are going for in this game. Not some guy using his gap closer to get on top of an ADC in a 1v5 and insta killing him just becuase you feel you deserve it.

They are screwed if people dont help them. Your entire argument is whining about his team helping him survive so he can do his job in the team; DPS. I take it you havent played any other squad or team-based games where you have specific roles to play within the team, and you are just used to getting 5-6 kills on your Assassin/whatever and expect to roll over everyone no matter what they do as a team. League has changed, and its not like that anymore.

The 2nd class IS the counterplay to YOUR play. The irony is rich here. You have teammates to COUNTER that.

General Esdeath Feb 11, 201821 votes

Teamwork is "let's play the map with our 3 lanes ahead" or "let's turtle and try to catch up"

a teamwork attempt by 2 people should NOT counter 5 people when 3 of them are ahead.

341123545652Feb 11, 201818 votes

dont even bother with this treedayban guy. He is the number #1 delusional adc apologist on this forum site. He mains the role and is clearly insanely biased toward it , just goes around on every anti adc thread spewing nonsense, doesnt give the slightest shit about league of legends or the health of the game. Just as long as his little braindead role can be overpowered thats enough for him , no perspective on how others feel (mainly solo laners) getting afk right clicked. Prime example of the people who will ruin the game.

Stormshadow3503Feb 11, 20187 votes

and another person who gets so worked up over video games that they start calling people delusional and making blatant exaggerations. Wonderful. Try to be realistic whilst commenting; demonizing others won't help.

MuffledGarbageFeb 11, 20187 votes

He's not even slightly exaggerating. Just click on his profile and see how much he thinks that ADCS are perfectly 100% balanced

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20182 votes

Calling someone delusional doesn't mean you're worked up. There was a guy at my store screaming and passing out on himself and we called him delusional. We're not worked up or angry, we were worried about the guy.

AirKingNeoFeb 12, 20181 votes

No, he isn't. I don't have a clue who the hell he is to be the #1 adc apologist.

Handy Sandy Feb 11, 20188 votes

i do not see how this is even possible, unless of course the adc is literally full build by the time you have 2 items. Try splitpushing.

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20182 votes

Trist destroys towers faster than I can

MizayaFeb 11, 20186 votes

I wanna make two points here...

Saying other lanes won really means nothing because you don't specify: How hard did they win? If bot lane is 20/0 and the rest of the map is 0/10, The bot lane is way farther ahead than anyone else in the game, so it isn't too surprising if they go on to win the game. Additionally, they may just have a better 5v5. I've had games that started out 1/15 and we eventually came back, and this was even WITH a losing bot lane.
Not really understanding the point of calling the support the "slave"... are we saying ADCs are some sort of evil toxic flamer who has complete control over every game because of how overpowered his role is? I don't think that's true; like, even Hashinshin admitted that ADCs were only kinda overpowered compared to supports, and supports still control the lane for the most part. Hell, I played with a master/challenger support in high diamond mmr a couple weeks ago and we stomped lane... only to be run over by the enemy riven later in the game as well as their other two winning lanes... y'know the exact situation you are describing.

xelakerFeb 12, 20182 votes

you get that logic out of here right now! the boards are a place of circlejerk hate.

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

ironic

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

The main point is that I can't even TOUCH the adc because the support removes their weaknesses.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 12, 20181 votes

No, you cant touch the adc because you played tahm kench top against tristana and taric. In what healthy way should a 0 mobility tank be able to catch someone who has his team mate peeling for him?

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

When I get her while she walks into my bush and then just ults me away or uses W

good champ

SnowplosionFeb 11, 20185 votes

So we are complaining about how 3 mildly fed people can't beat 2 extremely fed people...

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

"can't touch"

Focus on that phrase. I can't even get near the adc without being blown up by their damage.

Red WreckageFeb 12, 20181 votes

I can be 13-1 on Yi....but I can't touch a 2-7 vayne with a thresh/leona.

saltranFeb 12, 20181 votes

OMEGALUL

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 12, 20183 votes

Arent you tierd of blaming everything else for your losses?

In that game you were TahmKench top who "won" lane against klepto Nasus , lets not get ahed of ourselves you didnt snowball anything. Your midlane was Heimerdinger , against Diana , a melee champ, he also should have stomped lane, yet he too didnt even get turret when he can perma push with the help of your jungler who was "winning" by your defenition.

Meanwhile bot had Tristana and Taric who finished the game 18-0! 18-0 thats nuts. Both didnt die ONCE the entire game.

Look at your team comp, it's just trash. Immobile support toplaner. Heimerdinger who is pure cheese champ and he didnt even pop off. Soraka+jinx = botlane with 0 engage. J4 who is alright but has nothing to work with in that comp.

Meanwhile enemy had jax diana and taric, 2 divers and a support that is made for peeling and feeding off divers for his stuns. A fed adc that snowballed hard against an immobile team with no engage, and a nasus with wither.

Yep, you were totally robbed off your victory, taric and tristana should have definetly lost to a 2 kill tahm kench and a 2 kills donger.

Also classy move calling supports slaves, really puts the cherry of this shitpost ontop.

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

Mid was winning until, again, bot roamed.

Tell me, when do you think they roamed?

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 12, 20181 votes

If botlane is so ahed he starts roaming, you are in a problem. See the difference? Botlane won lane and roamed to bounce back their losing lanes. Your top and your mid "won" lane and you didnt even get your own turret. So now not only did botlane (2 people) get fed, they were also smart enough to play as a team and push for wider map control in struggling lanes.

No matter which way you look at it, your team got stomped and it had nothing to do with lane, if mid was kat and she was 18-0 you be damn sure she would go around deleting everyone. Same for Yasuo top, or fiora, or any carry champ you take to any lane.

Which comes back to my original point, your team got stomped by players who played better, none of you were "winning" lane with your 2 kills and 0 turret/map pressure. So instead of understanding that, you come here to shitpost clawing at every possible excuse why the game is unfair and you are not to blame for this loss.

General Esdeath Feb 13, 20181 votes

I can't roam at 8 minutes dude, I don't have the influence of an adc nor the same amount of items since my tank items cost a bit more.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 13, 20181 votes

First, you're TahmKench with teleport, not only do you have a roaming ult, you got TP to even get back to lane. If the adc roamed in 8 minutes, than go back to my previous point > you got stomped. Adc dont roam, they scale off gold they need to CS because they relay on items more than levels for abilities, if tristana could afford to ROAM AT 8 MINUTES without paying for it either by CS or taking her turret, your team fucked up.

Second of all, your tank items dont cost more, if anything they cost less and are more efficent early. I'll ignore boots and dorans and just caculate the first 2 items.

IE > 3400 gold Zeal item > 2600 gold Total gold cost: 6000 gold.

Note: she has 0 armor pen and 0 life steal.

Tank build(armor): Sunfire/Randuins/thornmail/Deadman's:2900 Frozen heart/iceborn:2700

At most your total 2 items would cost:5800 Your build is 200 cheaper for 2 extreamly good anti AA items. Tank items are some of the cheapest in the game.

So even that point you made was proved to be false, please, do you have anymore excuses i can debunk? Did trist one shot you with dorand blade too?

Just admit your team got stomped and move on.

General Esdeath Feb 13, 20181 votes

A roaming ult that doesn't go past baron pit, that'll show them.

Not to mention it and TP have a longer delay vs a champ who has mobility with a support who can cast a stun where I'll appear.

Yeah no, getting a turret and then going mid then top? That's roaming.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 13, 20181 votes

Yea okay, you're just looking for excuses. Tahm kench has a roaming ult, dont try to cut it short, you can be sitting at river and roam mid, or ult with jungler for easy ganks, but you didnt, learn to play your champ before you blame others.

Also you honestly say your TP is not effective because Tristana has her jump? And taric has a stun? Sounds like you dont know how to TP roam, you dont TP into enemies face expecting them to drool themselves to death, you flank or counter TP while they are mid fight.

And this is the last time i'll say this: your team was terrible and you got snowballed hard, if by 8 minute tristana is already with taric pushing mid and top after getting her turret, they deserve to win, they are carrying, THATS called winning lane, not getting 2 kills early and having 0 pressure on the lane/map.

Also nice that you ignored the part i flat out proved you lack so much knowledge of this game that you dont know tank items are cheaper than marksman. Gg, better luck next game.

Villainous VFeb 11, 20182 votes

Well, no shit Sherlock. You mean to tell me that 3 people who are a little ahead can't beat two people who are extremely ahead? Who would've guessed.

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

"can't touch"

Focus on that phrase. I can't even get near the adc without being blown up by their damage.

Villainous VFeb 12, 20181 votes

Again. You mean to tell me an extremely fed adc who's building crit won't blow you up when you get near them?

General Esdeath Feb 12, 20181 votes

And you mean to tell me an adc with self peel, mobility, attack speed, burst, and DPS like Tristana is OK? Just because she has 2 items?

saltranFeb 11, 20182 votes

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

xelakerFeb 12, 20182 votes

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Too bad, bot lane fed harder than a turkey dinner, can't touch the marksman because of their slave keeping them safe

good game design

rofl the best case scenario for ya'll was "winning" lane with 2 kills at best. It wasn't like top was 7/0 mid was 8/2 and jung was 11/3. Pull your head from betwixt your buns and think about the bigger picture instead of circlejerk hating