Is Twitch a bit too strong?

Unnamed Feeder·Jun 12, 2017·5 votes·2,391 views

Hello, Recently I read a lot of threads based on assassin strength, adc strength, and I think this rat was in a LOT of them. So I just want to add my personal thoughts and ask other players for feedback.

Twitch does seem really strong He has stealth and one of the highest autoattack ranges in the game with his ult. His late game is really darn strong. This wouldn't be a problem if he has counterplay like other adcs (ex. avoiding the traps vs , telegraphed skillshot location vs , mobility vs , abusing the low range vs ). But with such range, stealth, and scaling, the only counterplay seems to be shutting him down early - this is however very unreliable, and he scales when he gets his BORK or hurricane
Win rates show his strength Twitch has 55.18% win rate across 37430 games in diamond, 54.39% across 111,257 in platinum, and 53.21% win rate across 755280 games in all ranked in Korea this month. He also has 54.22% win rate across 20243 games in diamond, 53.77% across 59065 games in plat, and 52.21% across 444981 games in all ranked in NA this month. Win rates aren't everything, but it is a problem when the champ has both very high win rates AND high play rates. (All credit goes to op.gg and na.op.gg)

Honestly I think Twitch is too strong right now....Kind of mad that riot doesn't plan on nerfing him yet...Am I the only one that thinks that Twitch needs a nerf?

tldr: Twitch get a lot of complaints, he does seem really strong with not much counterplay, and his winrate/playrate is really high. Should he get nerfed?

Final Note: Yes I know I am bad - both my accounts are in wood 5. However, I want to add that

Win rate/Play rate statistics do not lie.
All players have a right to post as long as they use reason, not just emotion.

9 Comments

Gizm0Jun 12, 20172 votes

Twitch is definitely super strong right now, S tier adc for sure. I believe the nerf to BoRK item 3153 was supposed to be an indirect nerf to twitch; however people merely adopted to build more crit and save BoRK for 4th or 5th item, or simply take BT item 3072 instead. I wouldn't be surprised to see a direct nerf to twitch in the near future.

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ScriptBrandJun 12, 20171 votes

yes he's a bit overtuned

zarxus1234Jun 12, 20171 votes

have you tried attacking him.... he dies in like 2 seconds....

RiseOftheApesJun 12, 20171 votes

this, ppl dont realise that he is actually one of the weakest assasin/adc or even champ ingame if engaged on first. there is literally nothing he can do against any champ who wants to tower dive him. unlike other adc's with mobility or cc. the other champ is Kogmaw also on same boat as twitch, but unlike twitch, kogmaw can fight back late game and destroy most of the champs 1v1, while a twitch who gets attacked first will pretty much always die late game. One Syndra R is all it takes for him to back to his respawn timer.

Unnamed FeederJun 12, 20171 votes

If you can get to him, yes. However...

Good Twitches will remain in stealth so it's VERY hard to engage on him
It is extremely difficult to jump on him while he has 850 attack range and a slowing field - assassins trying to get to him will get melted as they try to get to him
This may be a problem with all adcs, but with the amount of safety/life steal his potential items grant him , , , , and make it hard to kill even if they get to him. I'd say it's even worse for twitch as he gets this safety while having one of the best teamfighting in the game.
If you can kill him in '2 seconds', he can do A LOT to your team in those '2 seconds'.

GoronMuncherVJun 12, 20171 votes

Counterplay is lack of mobility and self kiting, along with a terrible laning phase. Most adc's should beat him early. Botrk probably still too strong too.

Unnamed FeederJun 12, 20171 votes

Thanks for your constructive input. However, I personally think the first two weaknesses can be mitigated by his q movement speed and the safety of his ultimate range, especially in higher elo. His early game may be weak but that alone shouldn't be a champ's counterplay. This is just my opinion tho. What do you think about those points?

GoronMuncherVJun 13, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unnamed Feeder,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxPmZn8k,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-12T16:03:20.078+0000) However, I personally think the first two weaknesses can be mitigated by his q movement speed and the safety of his ultimate range, especially in higher elo.

Q movement speed doesn't help much if you're jumped. Takes a bit to kick in and is only 10% if you're running from people. His ult range definitely makes him a lot safer, but there are still ways to reach him or countermeasures such as control wards to not get caught off guard or knowledge of where he'll likely appear from.

His early game may be weak but that alone shouldn't be a champ's counterplay. This is just my opinion tho. What do you think about those points?

Definitely one to think about. But on the flip side; how is a champions weaker mid-late game counterplay to an amazing early game? Not saying late game is balanced, but you've got to consider both sides if you think one is over-tuned.

This being said, I am a biased Twitch main; but I do feel like a lot of the hate atm is just the "op of the month", combined with some poorly thought out nerfs. Like what would increasing his camouflage circle do? He won't be able to flank as much. Ok... Guess I'll just stand at the backline and kill you through your frontline instead of flanking? Or the other one I've read: "don't let him cast abilities in stealth while not breaking stealth". Only one that does that is ult, which you use immediately after activating 99% of the time anyway.

If he is too strong, what nerfs are actually needed is for another discussion.