Does Riot even consider Tryndamere a rework candidate anytime soon?

Unnamed Feeder·11/27/2017, 4:46:19 AM·28 votes·1,986 views

I know Riot is extremely busy in the preseason, but I don't understand why Riot isn't considering Tryndamere as a high-priority rework candidate. Yes, I have been destroyed by Tryndameres in the past, recently and much longer before, but I will try to lay objective reasons on why Tryndamere should be focused for a Gameplay Update, along with a rework that was done on those reasons. Note that I'm not saying that he is broken right now, I'm saying that his kit is overall very toxic for the game.

  1. His kit is WAY TOO one-dimensional (why WW and Poppy were reworked) According to /dev: ON Evolving the Laning fighter in the Nexus post, one of the quotes on champions is that 'single strengths must be overemphasized to the point of being excessively binary for them to even function'. Then they give Tryndamere as an example, and how he provides nothing but damage and so he should be amazingly good at that and splitpushing. This is pretty much admitting that Tryndamere is one dimensional and is focused ENTIRELY on split-pushing, becoming a split push bot in the late game. This pretty much goes against the concept of of Riot wanting to remove one-dimensional champions.

  2. He is not fair/frustrating/unfun to play against (why Yorick was reworked) Most champions either have certain points in the game where they are weak, or a certain way to outplay them. An instance of the former is Nasus - he is one of the best duellists in the late game, but he can be bullied quite easily in the early game. For the latter we have Fiora - while Fiora is extremely good at 1v1s, she can be soloed by avoiding vital damage and carefully considering her riposte time - this way, certain other champions can 1v1 her in the late game by hugging the wall. Tryndamere offers none of these things - he is very strong in the early game because of his random crits, and the best you can do is to pray that he doesn't get lucky crits. In the mid/late game, you can't really do anything if he has superior or equal stats (he becomes a stat stick that you must outnumber and outlast for 5 seconds to beat)

  3. He is way too feast or famine (why Kogmaw's rework was reverted) The justification of Swain's upcoming rework was that he doesn't really make an impact when behind, but becomes way too tanky while dealing too much damage when ahead. Well, you can replace the name with Tryndamere and there you go! Tryndamere can't do much if he falls behind except hope to farm and splitpush, while he destroys champions with his extreme damage while also becoming unkillable when ahead (his ult).

  4. He has no counterplay (justification for the assassin update) Riot also say about Swain that he has a lot of power pushed into abilities that enemies really can't do anything about. This fits Tryndamere even more than it fits Swain - at least you can walk out of Beatrice's range and dodge Nevermove. A lot of Tryndamere's power is placed in critical strikes, his innate sustain and his ultimate. What is there for the enemy to do against that? Sure, you could argue items and runes, but true, healthy counterplay is something you can do in GAMEPLAY to avoid that (ex. dodgeable skillshots, delays etc.)

I really think Riot is biased for this champion and are actively trying to avoid reworking him for whatever reason. But Tryndamere fits the criterions needed for a rework VERY well, and I really think they should reconsider their judgment.

tl;dr Tryndamere fits too many checks in the rework criterion to be ignored for this long. He is the literal definition of one-dimensional, he isn't fair to play against, he is too feast or famine, and he has no counterplay. I really think Riot is biased against this champion for whatever reason and I think they should reconsider.

23 Comments

Floupi11/27/2017, 11:19:18 AM8 votes

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Sasogwa11/27/2017, 5:13:31 PM7 votes

I think it is false to say he has no counterplay. A lot of kits have tools to kite around Trynd. Predicting when he will W and face him at that time, running away/kiting him during his ult is very simple yet valid counterplay. The simple fact he is melee and kiteable is huge for counterplay. Imagine how ridiculous he would be if ranged. That's why I think trynd is far from the most annoying/gamebreaking champions.

Kiryu11/27/2017, 7:27:37 AM5 votes

I don't think it's bias so much as Riot doesn't really know where to go with the whole unkillable barbarian thing. Though I do find it ironic that one champ named after the owners hasn't had any reworks since season 1 and the other has gone through at least 4.

BigBrotherAniki11/27/2017, 3:27:33 PM3 votes

Literally Tryndamere who works in this game and can be play if you want to win need rework more than Mordekaiser Mr.PizzaFeat 180 bugs and this two things that barely even work in this game Udyr Volibear Like only Trick2G can make them look like they work and do anything.Not to mention Nunu he looks like character from PS2 game.

AlexisTheDragon11/27/2017, 7:22:23 PM3 votes

Boxerpete will murder you lol.

Tryndamere super good, he won't be changed cause hes riot ceo's champ.

Naalith11/27/2017, 8:39:24 PM2 votes

So, I completely agree with you. I basically played Tryndamere exclusively back when I was leveling my account and even for a while after I hit 30 and that was in season 1 and 2, he hasn't changed at all and has become an increasingly obnoxious champion since then because all he can do now is split. However, I'd like to offer a counterpoint.

Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser pls rework this buggy ass champion who literally has books written about how many bugs he has, and also make him a mage again like he originally was before the season 5 gutting.

Nunu Nunu Nunu Nunu Nunu Nunu Nunu Nunu pls rework these 4 polygons whose whole gameplay revolves around permaslowing and building 90k hp to steal your dragons.

FCJAAAAGOOOO11/27/2017, 5:09:14 PM2 votes

IMO Tryn is one of the most healthy champions.

SpecterVonBaren11/28/2017, 6:51:48 AM1 votes

Given how long it took for Urgot and Poppy to get reworked (Like, over 5 years) and that Tryn, despite being a toxic design, is nowhere near as toxic as those two were before their reworks, I don't find it all that surprising that he's been left like this for so long.

Another aspect is that if Riot thinks about reworking him then they likely then think about whether or not they want to rework crit since it's tied to him through his passive, in which case any change to Tryn might be seen as pointless without a coinciding change to crit, which would take a lot more work than just a single champion's rework.

BubbaV11/27/2017, 7:12:56 PM1 votes

they're too busy fixing the game they fucked up entirely

Zedex11/27/2017, 10:33:11 PM1 votes

Nope, instead they're going to rework Yasuo, the other melee carry who's actually a lot easier to counter than Tryndamere.

I mean, sure, say what you want about Yasuo, but bias aside, at least he doesn't throw the top lane on its head because of a broken unkillable mechanic that is clearly not healthy, in any way shape or form.

PurpleHatter11/27/2017, 11:46:47 PM1 votes

Wut.

I don't think you realize that Tryndamere loses a lot of matchups if you're not good at him. And you get out dueled by a good # of late game duelists(Jax, Fiora, Nasus) and many tanks(unless you are literally 6 items) as unlike any bruiser you don't wanna build any tank as you are invincible for a couple of seconds in a fight and any tank or bruiser can grab Thornmail, ninja tabis, and/or Randuins. The main benefit for Tryndamere is you are probably one of the best split pushers in the game. You can take towers like a mother fucker and have incredible mobility with 40% CDR with his E. Together with his fabulous dueling he can take a tower, kill someone in a 1v3 and get away.