"We gutted Talon's ult cooldown because he could gank too often"

TeemoXNidalee··4 votes·886 views

Meanwhile this cancer Quinn is ranged, gets a free homeguard buff everywhere to gank and also has 100% uptime on her stupid 1shot combo that has a Nocturne ult attached for some reason

"balanced"

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specter4244 votes

I don't know why that stupid bird has a nearsight. Its the most bullshit thing ever to get hit by.

TeemoXNidalee2 votes

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I don't know why that stupid bird has a nearsight. Its the most bullshit thing ever to get hit by.

Yeah, and her mains will say "duhhh it's a skillshot, dodge it", not happening when she fires at almost point blank range while you're slowed by 50% lol

specter4241 votes

The whole "just dodge it" excuse is poor. Of course you will attempt to dodge skillshots but it only takes one.

Buff Jax please3 votes

Yeah please nerf Quinn and revert Talons ult cd. Only reason he was able to lane against most matchups.

TeemoXNidalee3 votes

"Homeguard hecarim was too OP"

Then comes Quinn at 1k ms and 1shots you with no counterplay.

Ralanr3 votes

Well her ult is built to roam. Talon's was built to kill and escape.

TeemoXNidalee2 votes

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Well her ult is built to roam. Talon's was built to kill and escape.

He can't gank properly without it as his element of surprise(stealth/ms) and damage are greatly reduced. When quinn comes at you, there's almost no time to react unless you're expecting it already, it's much like rengar, but rengar has to wait 150s to do it again, quinn has no cooldown wtf.

Ralanr3 votes
  1. Quinn's ult has no cooldown because she's meant to be a fast roamer.
  2. If there is a Quinn in the game and you don't know where she is, you should expect her to come for you. That's anti-gank 101.
  3. Rengar goes invisible. I don't see the similarities.
  4. Talon is getting a rework (as is Rengar) so I don't know if it's best to compare them.
Verxint2 votes

I still remember the video where Riot nerfed Garen's ult to 160 seconds at rank 1 because "It's not fun to die to an ultimate, walk back to lane, and die to the same ultimate right away"

Meanwhile..... Annie Ashe Darius Ekko Ezreal Fiora Gnar Irelia Jhin Jinx Katarina Leona Lux Riven Talon Velkoz Yasuo Zed

(before anyone says I'm just whining, I play several champs on this list)

Ralanr1 votes

I am kinda annoyed by the cooldown of Yasuo's ult, I won't lie.

Verxint1 votes

I personally think most ults in the game are 20 seconds too long. You shouldn't be able to kill someone and have your ult be up before the lane gives them a chance to fight.

Think about it: X champ ults you. You two fight for maybe 15 seconds. You die. You spend 23 seconds dead at level 6. 38 seconds have passed since the ult was used and you just respawned.

Summoner's Rift is measured to be 19,000 units from Nexus to Nexus. Using trigonometry, we can calculate the distance from Nexus to corner to be about 13,000 units. At 350 movespeed, that takes 37 seconds. If you're mid, only a 27 second walk.

So just fighting, dying, respawning, and walking back to lane has consumed 75 seconds. Most of these champions have 90-110 second ulimates at rank 1. This means even with no CDR you literally get one minion wave after arriving to lane before you get ulted again. If the person has CDR runes and rushed a 10% CDR item, they could easily have the ultimate up as you arrive in lane.

Yasuo has an 80 second cooldown on his ultimate at rank 1. You can basically guarentee that it's up as you arrive to lane if he killed you.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Almost every single one of those champions has had their ult cooldown increased at early levels or nerfed for the exact same reason.

Verxint1 votes

At the same time as they made it a lot easier to build early CDR without sacrificing other stats.... So now Riven rushes a Warhammer and does the same thing.

The fact that taking teleport top is still the only option for 90% of champs, even though it's useless for ganking now, is because of this problem. If you don't take TP top and you die one time, the enemy all-ins you with their ult and level advantage less than 30 seconds after you finish walking back to lane.

JackMcSnipeyz2 votes

EXTRA EXTRA! Riot nerfs 1 champion so ALL champions should be nerfed aswell.

Talon and quinn are nothing alike,talon is an assasin often played at midlane, quinn is a roaming ADC that often plays top.

Talon doesnt need ganking power, he has a blink AoE slow bleed and an escape that is tied to damage.

Quinn roams to you, and fights you without ability to escape if things turb wrong.

Who else shoul get nerfed? Nocturne? Rengar? Zac? Nidalee?

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