"A supposedly high skill champion having 25% pick rate with a 53% win rate is clearly balanced"

TeemoXNidalee··230 votes·8,892 views

No it is not.

Gut this cancer already.

Vayne

155 Comments

warpenguin55532 votes

Dude not cool. You took all my complaints about Vayne already. Still +1 because this champion should be given the yorick treatment.

HongChongDong31 votes

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Dude not cool. You took all my complaints about Vayne already. Still +1 because this champion should be given the yorick treatment.

You mean buried under memes and broken dreams for several years only to be reworked and ride the hype train for about 6 weeks only to die out again and have people literally forget that he exists sometimes?

warpenguin55513 votes

Yep.

To be fair to Yorick though really enjoy him, but dont have a reason to pick him when i already have Illaoi as my go to Juggernaut

NichtHurz2 votes

I think Yorick actually just suffers from being forgotten for so long. Everybody kinda knew he was there, but noone cared and now that they've reworked him he's quite special in gameplay and still just forgotten by many since he wasn't really existing for several years.

Yooba24 votes

Post from your main.

Violet Raven45 votes

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Post from your main.

I noticed that too, can't give away the idea that hes bronze 5 playing full tank teemo adc and cant 1v1 vayne when hes 90 cs down :^)

Sanctimonious5 votes

That's op. If i ever see Yazuo in one of my games, i'll do that.

Tannhäuser Gate4 votes

And ruin your kayle streak?

Sanctimonious1 votes

Teemo's as much an Angel as Kayle is. i've already accidentally played janna on this acc so mehh xD

Tannhäuser Gate1 votes

I am in one of your clubs lol

Sanctimonious1 votes

Oh haha didn't recognize the name xD

SoryInAdvance1 votes

yazuo is EUW

Sanctimonious2 votes

Forgive me friend, I must be blind. Let me wack the computer screen with my cane real quick.

Keti13 votes

Pls nerf vayne. Tired of banning. K thx bye.

PS. I'm not OP

HazyCloud724 votes

It doesn't matter what account he posts it on, this champion is absolutely disgusting. Especially given the direction they went in the assassin update.

It's not necessarily even about strength either. There's nothing healthy about having the burst to one shot people and also retaining stealth + mobility + true % hp damage. She, dare I say it, makes yasuo look like a well designed champion.

Muramana11 votes

SHUT YOUR MOUTH, but on a serious note, totally agree.

WoonStruck7 votes

Keep in mind that any ADC over a 52% win rate is almost guaranteed broken.

Due to ADCs being in EVERY game, all of them SHOULD be within 1% of the median win-rate.

A high play rate alongside that should warrant immediate nerfs the next patch cycle.

Troll Slaiyer7 votes

remove her true damage

SoryInAdvance2 votes

stupid idea. mooooving right along.

PB4UAME5 votes

How is 12% MAX HP TRUE DAMAGE for landing 3 hits a good idea, or healthy for the game? Vayne will virtually always have between 1-2+ attacks a second, has an auto reset on her Q that can also crit, and can apply a stack of silver bolts with each instance of her E damage.

She can, literally, auto, q-> auto, E you in barely over a second (even less with buffering and higher attack speed) to guarantee that silver bolts proc and unless you out range her and have instant, targeted CC, there is nothing you can do to prevent that. Oh, you're melee? Fuck you.

SoryInAdvance1 votes

i did not say reducing the damage was a stupid idea. i said removing the true damage was a stupid idea.

PB4UAME1 votes

Do you honestly think % max hp true damage has any place in this game at all? Cause I for one do not think there should ever be an offensive type or option with literally no forms of defensive mitigation at all.

SoryInAdvance2 votes

When you're the squishiest champion in the game that gets destroyed by hard cc, yeah. It's called feast or famine. Vayne is no exception to that.

TyroneWatermelon4 votes

No champions takes skill in this game.

PlanetWarwick4 votes

Stop her before late game Easy Cuz late game she doesn't need any skill

Blkninjar879 votes

That's the stupid part tho.... You are forced to put so much effort into stopping her from reaching late game cause once she does she's unstoppable.. almost like KogMaw rework. It's not fun.... all in all i want her passive to be something else, kinda stupid she gets movespeed moving to people when she can basically kill everyone with three autos. Her passive is even better than Sivir ADCs are supposed to kite, not chase people... wish there was a bruiser that gains speed for chasing people rather than a carry.

AcidTheWarlock3 votes

Kled

TeemoXNidalee21 votes

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Stop her before late game Easy Cuz late game she doesn't need any skill

How do you stop her from reaching level 6?

Jax the Stampede2 votes

Easy, you go to level 5 and leave 5 enemies there. She won't be able to resist.

Wyrmblade1 votes

Just pink her experience points lmao.

oh wait.

Joseraph4 votes

We don't need to gut Vayne, holy shit guys. Just nerf her BS Q, and make her spike at 4-5 items like she's supposed to

LatetotheRace5 votes

Or we could gut her and go back to banning caitlyn instead.

Knoyle3 votes

Fuck it. Gut them both. I'd rather see fucking Lucian

Demonicous3 votes

You'd rather see some ta-tas but that ain't going to happen either.

Joseraph2 votes

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President Swa1n6 votes

Nightmares of when he was 80% pick rate

Depárt3 votes

But you wont cause he's gutted too LUL

SoryInAdvance2 votes

lucy is a 4 star adc right now. he's decent.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Well in terms of winrate he's sort of underperforming compared to other ADC's doe although he is pretty popular of a pick.

SoryInAdvance1 votes

winrate isn't everything. especially if the pick rate is high.

Turbanator13371 votes

Vayne has a significantly higher pick rate than Lucian. If she was balanced, considering she's supposed to be a "hard" champion, you'd expect her winrate to be below Lucian's, which isn't the case. In fact, she's the highest winrate ADC as of this patch, sitting just above Twitch (who's super strong rn), and well above the "easier" ADCs like Jinx and MF. Currently, she has a 53.19% winrate, which is just about bordering broken champ territory.

In contrast, Lucian, who has a lower pick rate, is sitting at 47.01%, which is trash tier. He underperforms against almost all the other ADCs in the game. I still play him as a comfort pick, but that's about as good as it gets.

It's true that winrate isn't everything, but looking at all the evidence, you can't really say that Lucian's a 4 star.

SoryInAdvance1 votes

stop looking at winrate and play rate statistics and look at damage outputs based on items...lucian is definitely a good adc and his winrate and all of that will go up soon.

Turbanator13371 votes

Damage output per game is kind of a misleading statistic because champions that rely heavily on all ins will always do less damage per game than poke champions. That being said, when organized by damage done, Lucian still doesn't perform as well as Vayne does, and they're both short range champions. It could even be argued that Lucian is has an advantage because of his ult, and he still underperforms.

Also, unfortunately, his stats have actually dropped even more since the preseason hit live. The new Ferver making him do less damage along with ADs now taking Warlord's for extra sustain after trades puts Lucian in an even tougher spot than he was in before. :(

SoryInAdvance1 votes

the new ferver is actually supposed to be good on lucian because of how fast he can stack it and he has the advantage of being really good against assassins.

Zelorxon4 votes

Level 7

a level fucking 7.

and not the level when you should start pushing the wave.

a fucking level 7.

A Liberal3 votes

I really enjoy how Katarina and LeBlanc now have to wait 3-4 seconds to get a full combo off but people like Caitlyn, Vayne, and Draven only need to auto attack you once. 10/10 would play ADC again.

(I don't know if all the assassin windows are that slow RN since I really only play Kat, but I know that Rengar still one shots me)

Joseraph3 votes

It's because of something something mobility(Which is bullshit, because Vayne's Q has a stupid low cooldown, and Draven's speed up has a reset on it)

Z462 votes

Don't forget that Caitlyn's E is a walljump that doubles as a slow, and can let her get off a free Headshot from long range.

Axxuka3 votes

You guys call her OP for the Wrong Reason.

item 3147 + Vayne Now that's what you call Cancer. I f you don't know why, no rights to complain on Vayne

Supreme Senpai692 votes

She is high skillcap. For the love of Rito people need to stop playing her without being good at her. Everytime I see a Vayne tumble towards the enemy to grab a CS my heart dies a little.

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