Step 1: build full tank
Step 2: Eat anything in sight but especially drags/rift/baron/champions
Step 3: Buy gargoyle stoneplate
Step 4: Press 1 then R
Nom Nom Nom
Step 5: Look at the damage graph and see you were the highest damage in the game
Rinkle Dinkle27 votesBecause cho'gath is
A: Slow B: Melee C: Weak Early D: Burst is single target and can only be done once E: Has to be built tanky or will die in 1 hit F: Has more hard counter's than normal G: HAS to score enemy kills or objectives to utilize his tank passive H: ALL of his spells are incredibly close range and two are easily dodgeable
Wanna stop crying now?
Spicy Rice20 votesA. Righteous Glory B. Look to a C. Relatively D. Just takes killing 1 person to win a teamfight E. And building tanky increases his damage. F. Such as? G. And adc's have to right click to utilize their crit. I don't get what your point here. H. If all his spells are close range, then xerath must be the only champ with long range abilities
TehNACHO2 votesJust chiming in about Cho's laning: Before his mini-rework, Cho'Gath was always a disgusting hard counter to melee assassins in the mid lane if you knew how to use him. Is this still the case? If so, it'd be more accurate to chalk Cho's laning ability as based on the matchup.
Nyarlathοtep2 votesA. Still not comparable to assasins mobility B. A melee is melee C. Way weaker early on since the change on his e D. The same can be applied on both team, not sure what your point E. Only on his ulti. F. Im not really sure what to write here :/ G. I think he wants to say that he has to have eaten objectives or scored kills with his ulti H. I personally think they are more like medium range.
Rinkle Dinkle4 votesA: 1 slow negates Righteous Glory, as does youmoos, cc, terrain, etc. this point is mute. If this item is such an issue on cho, surely darius/olaf/yorick/mordekaiser are just as bad? Stoneplate darius can ult 5 people, cho can ult one? Nerf darius?
B: Look to A
C: Nice meme. I will be using this.
D: Yes I remember all the times I killed 1 person and the enemy team all raised their hands in forfeit /s. Sarcasm aside, this is r e l a t i v e B) to the situation
E: Building tanky increases his damage on 1 spell that can be used 1 time on 1 person at melee range per fight. This is a non issue
F: Any and all lane bullies toplane 
various duelists 
almost all juggs 
most mages mid, any1 who can counter jungle 
, and any support that can completely negate either cho's engage OR his damage single handedly 
. Naturally, these can be overcome given the player on cho is skilled. If the player on cho is skilled, and manages to win, the problem is?...
G: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume you don't understand the point I made. Cho'gath has to score takedowns on enemy champions with 1 spell, and has to KILL with the spell, in order to utilize his tank steriod, which his ENTIRE KIT scales off of. If cho is denied this, he is basically denied a functioning, scaling kit. Comparing this to right clicking on adc's was foolish.
H: Again, going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. The only spell on cho'gaths kit that is longer than 500 range (2 ARE MELEE RANGE) is his Q. Coincidently, both of his ranged spells, q and w, have no scaling with tank stats, and are slow/telegraphed. Comparing this to xerath was, to be blunt, stupid. Are you claiming that the only 2 effective ranges in this game are xerath and cho?
EDIT: Oh and if ur an adc player, I would suggest not going tripple crit (
), and that you instead build items that are actually useful, like 
and 
. Tripple crit sux
ninjaroxas2 votesA: darius isn't anywhere near as tanky nor is any of the other's listed, you are just trying to twist his words and he has a team that can stop you from kiteing at all B:A C: you cant just say it's weak with nothing to back it up with D: killing the enemy carry will remove a lot of dmg and turn it into a 4v5 so yes a cho ult can win a team fight E:building tanky lets him live longer to use his other spells so it does let him do more dmg f: shocker, he has counters, doesn't mean he gets countered harder then any other champ g: he can get 6 stacks off of minions and monsters which will still give him which at max rank is about 1000 life making his ult with out counting any health items 757 dmg( with the runes and masteries i run ) at full build it deals 919 and with stone plate it does 1382, so even if the cho doesnt stack a single champ he'll still have almost 10,000 life with stone plate and a squishie just needs to take a little dmg for his ult to kill them assumeing he doesnt have anything like bounty hunter giveing him more dmg (not sure if those work with his ult) h: once again you seem to forget he has a team as well so even if it's slow it wont matter with a leona,mao,and zac locking you down
cho isnt unstoppable but you make it sound like he's a walk in the park to kill
Hovering Hentai1 votes
would like to disagree on point D. xD
Shonjl1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rinkle Dinkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ssIXgy7I,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-08-04T00:38:34.067+0000)
Because cho'gath is
A: Slow B: Melee C: Weak Early D: Burst is single target and can only be done once E: Has to be built tanky or will die in 1 hit F: Has more hard counter's than normal G: HAS to score enemy kills or objectives to utilize his tank passive H: ALL of his spells are incredibly close range and two are easily dodgeable
Wanna stop crying now?
I don't really hate Cho, but most of what you said is kinda irrelevant since he can and generally does counter most of it.
A. All his kit has CC attached, also it isn't that rare to see Cho build 
or 
If all else fails, speed means nothing if he 
on top of you.
B. Same as A. Melee doesn't mean much due to CC and slows out the ass. Also Flash
C. He is weak early but it doesn't matter since he becomes Cho regardless as soon as he is lvl6. Unless Lee Sin, Elise, Shaco, Eve and other early Jng literally life in his jng and devote their entire time to stopping him(Which they won't, and if they do, they will probably die a lot for it) He still will outscale nearly all of them.
D. Killing a single target is generally all it takes to win any teamfight or get objective control. Even killing a feeding top laner or support is worth it since it opens lanes, Rift/Baron/Dragon. Also its on half CD if it kills the target which it generally does.
E. This one is honestly stupid of you to even write. ALL CHO'S BUILD TANK. He is literally no different than Tank Ekko before, why build damage when even tank does a lot? There is no other build but pure tank for Cho since it works.
F. Who? He has the same amount of counters as literally every champ in the game does. Also counters mean little if you 1 shot them. What's a Vayne or Fiora gonna do to him if he eats them for 2k damage and they die?
G. You mean the things he is gonna do anyways since he has 2 smites and can steal any objective easily from anyone but Even if he dies he benefits from +1 more stack as well as the buff from the objective? Not sure if you play bots but nearly every Cho seen easily gets 10-15 stacks even in BAD GAMES.
H. I agree with this but also, doesn't matter if he misses them all, you aren't dodging when he activates 
and Flash Rs you.
THE RlVER KlNG22 voteswhy should i post good content on the boards when i can just bitch about cho'gath and get to the front page?
seriously we know he's broken but the horse is beyond dead at this point
88010121DEL11 voteswe can make it a un-killable zombie/wraith horse so we can keep beating it and ask for that to be a champion or a dummy skin for puns?
Rinkle Dinkle2 votes
ninjaroxas3 voteswell when you want something to change you have to keep saying it you don't just say "change this" then never speak of it a again
Dreadlocks1 votesObviously giving solid posts about why something should receive changes doesn't actually help 
...
SparksFFF6 votes
Catastrophic1 votessubtle
Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votesBecause cho'gath is Perma ban
Starcraft243ver3 votesI wanted to say that :'(.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 voteshehe
KoKoboto3 votesBecause flash has a 5 minutes cooldown
Bańg12 votesbut doesnt
KoKoboto2 votesWhoops forgot about that. Well you would've died anyways because you weren't with your team against an assassin.
Bańg8 votesyou can exhaust assassins.
you cant exhaust true damage tho.
The 14th Angel4 voteshis R alone does 1000 damage. im sure an assassin will die to cho no matter what. you actually cant kill cho as an assassin
ChompyWulf4 votesYou certainly can. Assassins are strongest in the early and mid game, and could make a Cho miserable until late game when their priority will be the enemy carries anyway.
Hello I am Bird6 votesshhhhhhhhhhhh stop going against the circlejerk.
maliohammad1 voteswhen I play him , even if I feed as crazy , I still get a crazy late game . and his Q is so easy to land , you just predict the enemy . CHO IS BROKEN , and I say this after spam playing him !
KoKoboto1 votesYeah you'd still die though cause no team to help you.
Weathered3 votesIf you like playing Cho'Gath, then yeah play him. A lot of people do not like his playstyle though, like myself.
Gelmous3 votesfuck i don't know, why are you asking the boards? you want to play Cho'Gath go ahead i don't see why you need a thread to make a decision
SparksFFF2 votes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AuraCreed3 votesYou need time in order for that to work and unless you're team has enough CC to kite him out for that let alone for 2-3 people you're kinda screwed.
Bionic Jellyfish2 votes these and kallista should do the trick. or just go vayne
53436278DEL13 voteslmaoooo its not that easy ..................
Nyarlathοtep1 votesYes it is.
53436278DEL11 votesyou forgetting that cho is just one champ .. you will have to deal with the other 4 .. so decide kill cho or kill the carries. god forbid if they have a scaling top laner...
Nyarlathοtep1 votesYou act like its 5v1. You too have 4 more people.
AwesomeGuyDj1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bionic Jellyfish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ssIXgy7I,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-08-04T00:03:42.643+0000)
Implying he doesnt just build tabi armor and kill you first. Implying you pick kalista in solo que. Not going to go well. Implying you know they'll have a chogath and can pick vayne.
Shonjl1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bionic Jellyfish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ssIXgy7I,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-08-04T00:03:42.643+0000)
The funny thing is even though they would counter Cho, he would be so tanky it would take a long time for even a Vayne with those 2 items to take him down.
While Vayne is dancing around Cho, Cho is just walking up to her since all he has to do is get in range of her and she is dead. Or even sooner if he lands a Q.
Vayne isn't really a counter since between his Hp which all Cho's easily get over 6k hp, all his resist, he wouldn't feel much. Why be scared of a Vayne when I am Cho with about 6k hp, over 200 armor and a good amount of mr? Which do btw counter Borks passive damage, the auto attacks themselves, the increased damage Dominiks gives to those autos. Vayne would probably have to take a good 10-20 autos to kill Cho, while Cho just needs 1 or 2 attacks to kill Vayne. Doesn't help most Vaynes build mostly pure AS instead of what most ADCs do which is 2 AS items and damage for rest. Vayne usually builds 3-4 AS items and 1-2 damage items.
With how Cho is right now, I would bet on Cho winning that fight majority of the time, not Vayne. Which just comes to show how busted Cho is since Vayne is suppose to be the absolute counter to basically any tanky champ in the game, moreso HP stacking ones.
Shablagoo2 votesMobility man what does it matter if you do no dmg, just mobility man. No but in all seriousness I can see why you would play cho over an assassin but not a burst mage, at least they dont fall off as hard and offer some cc for their and even if they dont do well early they still have dmg. Difference I see is assassin is useless unless he snowballs and wins before 25 mins.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesBurst mage: Range Assassin: Kill people before 30 minutes.
(>_>)
Pumping Iron1 votes
Tobias Brackner1 votesHe doesn't have strong engage tools.
Voluug131 votesBecause he becomes a completly useless sack of draintankeable hp the moment someone has a minimum of peel?
Like, he misses the chance to gapclose that he gets on his Q, he literally cant do anything unless its against a melee glass like assassins.
