Meanwhile Kalista gets picked for like 2 months in pro games and is barely ever seen in solo queue but gets one of the harshest nerfs dealt to any ADC all season. Yep, makes sense. 30 seconds on her ult at all ranks is HUGE.
warpenguin55573 votesIt's not like Kalista should be allowed to be viable either
Disembark11 votesHonestly Kalista wasn't even that bad this time around. Annoying? Sure. But with how easy heal reduction is to build it makes her A LOT less oppressive.
Also she doesn't 1 shot teams. Like she needs to auto tanks like 20+ times to kill them. I was actually happy to see Kalista in my games as long as we had some hard CC.
She's not nearly as oppressive as Tristana/Twitch which melt tanks and delete squishies.
AFilthyCaitMain41 votes
's nerfs were way harsher tbh
Rathar Dashing1 votesand 
(not as bad as cait, but still harsh).
UnboundHades25 votesLol what
Infernape4 votesAlso known as the Olafing.
ZeroAgainst2 votesi see you also played s3 olaf with that sexy 40% winrate
PB4UAME3 votes38% post nerf, didn't get above 39% for a while, and it was months before it got to 40.
General Esdeath 9 votesThey were harsh because they hit the wrong areas completely. If her traps are annoying, you don't touch her other skills.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesExactly
Infernape3 votesWhile also making an auto attack based ADC's DPS absolutely shit.
YumaS2Astral4 votesWhich does not make sense, especially because Cait's DPS was already inferior to hypercarry ADCs to begin with.
Salron38 votesKalista is a tumor that cannot be allowed to be viable with her current design
Celestial Lion127 voteswhat is so bad about it. sure she can kite for days but she has lower damage than any other adc because of her .9 ad ratio for autos and she doesn't synergize well with crit. her utility is high but not as high as ashe or jhin and without a good support she is wholly ineffective. her passive is poorly designed yes but all in all she's a fairly well balanced adc. its just that she can tilt people so hard that riot doesn't like her. even though shes pretty fair she doesent feel that way. as long as you either have point and click cc 
etc. or multiple gap closers 
etc. or just a stronger adc who can duel her or pick her out during a fight 
. she can be easily countered
Akali is SO HOT10 votesHer passive is the whole problem. The rest of her kit is fine.
Ariel the Cruel14 votesAs a support main, F her ult too. That thing is Jarring as sin. Never mind how many times it has screwed me (and the team by extension) over. (If you want to delete Tahm Kench to comply with this logic, I'm perfectly ok with that.)
It Hertz When IP6 votesYou think that's cancer, try facing a Kalista with a Tahm Kench support. No one ever dies.
EndlessSorcerer4 votesKalista and Thresh.
Whichever one you focus down will be rescued by the other.
TotalJerk5 votesEveryone and their grandma has a slow nowadays, and she has her damage output absolutely gimped by slows.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesand their grandma
has a fear and suppression. No slows though. ;p
Hello I am Bird5 votes
I think an arrangement could be made
[poppy-wink]
No More Cages1 votesCan confirm. Warwick is thus nobody and nobody's grandma.
Ariel the Cruel7 votesGranny WarWick is a skin.
Ariel the Cruel22 votesGood. Keep that jack rabbit out of my games. I don't want her on either team.
(Yes, I'm biased.)
Zedex2 votesI take it she gives you the "Yasuo Syndrome?"
The enemies carry but your allies are garbage?
Ariel the Cruel2 votes"Yasuo Syndrome?"
Yes.
The enemies carry but your allies are garbage?
Not at all. We have different definitions of "Yasuo Syndrome." XD
Her passive makes even mediocre Kalistas had as F to chase or land skill shots on. Even good Kalistas tend to ult me when I'm in the middle of a rotation, or try to trap me in bad fights.
She's an absolute pain to deal with when even remotely competent. Regardless of strength.
Dextix LT10 votesThe reason is because until kalista gets reworked, because of her broken kit (Thanks CertainlyShite) she NEEDS to be kept as shit as possible.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesAnd we thought Riot learned their lesson with her by putting CertainlyT in charge of reworks (Which... he actually has been doing a decent job of! WW's rework was fantastic) but now I hear he's actually designing a new champ right now.
Infernape7 votesNot just a new champ, the next champ. When there's someone there to rein him in (like on Warwick's rework) things come out fine. If he's left to his own devices, then that's when the broken shit hits the fan.
Blåbæret3 votesNot just a new champ, the next champ. When there's someone there to rein him in (like on Warwick's rework) things come out fine. If he's left to his own devices, then that's when the broken shit hits the fan.
We'll probably see Yasuo's brother: permamobility champion that spikes with one item, double lifesteal from items passive, built in 
, ability passive with true damage with 200% scaling off life steal hits. Most likely there'll be some sort of invulnerability spell as well. Maybe with a duration of 5 seconds, maybe more. Oh, and it'll probably be on a really short cooldown as well.
LichKing2347 voteshot dam les you sure your not a riot employee
big boi edri2 votesPasssive: Gains 200% life steal from all sources. Can not crit, but life steal converts damage to true (40% life steal=40% true damage from all AA and abilities).
Also, teleport can no longer be used to teleport. Instead, using teleport instantly kills Barron/Drag for your team. Standard TP CD is pretty long, so this should be fair.
Q: Spawn Barron instantly. (4 min CD) W: Spawn Elder instantly. (4 min CD) E: Invulnerable to damage fro 5 seconds. (10 sec CD) R: Spawn Barron and Elder to fight for you. (30 sec reduced by 10 for each kill)
No gap closer or escape, so fair.
YumaS2Astral3 votesTo be honest, Warwick was the only excepton among the things he did that weren't stupid at a point.
He also did Graves and Caitlyn's reworks and you know how stupid they have been.
Swarovsko8 votesPeople have been complaining about Twitch ever since the assassin rework went live and he still hasn't been touched, Brand getting mana refund on W when he clears minion waves with his W->E combo, Janna changes... there's so much bullshit here that I won't even talk about those. Just the fact that they are trying to make Janna interactive with an 18/16/14/12/10 sec shield + Ivern buffs when he had 51% win rate assured me that the balance team is BEYOND clueless. Also, let's not forget the iconic "Ekko fares pretty well against mages when his cooldowns are up, so we’re giving him the tools to engage more often." Kalista can get nerfed because she doesn't deserve to be viable but Lee Sin can get some buffs whenever he isn't dominating the jungle in both pro play and soloq.
OtterlyLost8 votesThis is so true. :/ Twitch has literally been an issue all season but lets nerf every secondary ADC that happens to be good again, Tristana included. How dare Tristana be meta for longer than three weeks; she's not ALLOWED to be good. Better nerf her since she's been strong for literally one fucking patch. Just watch, I'm calling it now, Twitch will get the Victorious skin and I will literally raise hell.
Skorch3 votesI mean also the people on the boards have been completely ballistic on both twitch AND tristana.
So its not like the vast majority of boards people want tristana.
Which is a shame...
Hello I am Bird5 votesIt's not a shame
Fuck trist's range imo.
The amount of mobility and peel she has mixed with her range makes her way too much to deal for me.
Sorry if you love her I could totally see how people could, I just really don't like fighting against her :((((((
My Heartshaker2 votesShe's been shit for literally the entire year and the one patch she makes it in as being viable is when all the other ADCs are too garbage to shit on her so she ends up being the only decent one out of all of them.
Rozzeta8 votesOn one side, it's terrible that Twitch still remains untouched.
On the other side, FUCK KALISTA. Even a 0.01% pick rate is too high for that bullshit champion.
Eternal Torment6 votesI still never figured out why they nerfed her thought...she was really weak already, and all she was good for was ascention mode because of her crazy ascention xerath killing capability. then they truly made her unviable, i have seen main kalistas lose lane to shit like vayne where they'd usually absolutely WRECK her.
why they don't nerf twitch, in my personal opinion, is possibly to Keep his image up. he is quite possibly meant to embody this plague rate, this infestation in the rift, that the longer you take to burn it out the more dangerous it becomes.
twitch comps are legit the only ones that last into lategame, and thats usually where he wins -.-
quite possibly why he has such a winrate. thanks to him teams can actually get to lategame, where most champions are meant to be played anyway, ecspecially tank supports that synergize with twitch (Cough taric braum cough)
2Charmnot2Charm11 votesStart of the season it was 
+ 
meta, then they nerfed the ad casters and their items after hitting them with the nerf bat first, then next to get the hammer was along with a meta shift due to buffs/nerfs to other roles.
And now finally the two marksmen that have rarely seen any play whats so ever for the last two years became meta again 
and they get smacked with the bat when previously people would think you're trolling or going to be useless for picking those two.
Riot seriously love nerfing champs especially when 1 of the reasons they are being picked again was cause all the other champs in that role got nerfed or meta shift.
It's only a matter of time before 
become meta at this point.
Hello I am Bird2 votesOh I can't wait for the Vayne threads saying "Vayne's W CANNOT be healthy in any state it's in" despite the fact that it's fine and she just gets a bit overbearing when in meta.
dominusx6 votesVayne W IS TOXIC. But the thing that makes her dogshit annoying is her no counterplay stealth. Just as it is annoying having to fight a Kha players that knows how to utilise his stealth to the fullest. And this comes from a high winrate kha player stealth is aids.
Eternal Torment2 votesi think riot knows, hence the vayne changes. that's my assumption to it. a shift of her power to prevent her from being meta.
Ravore2 votes[{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9emzKmBd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-20T22:47:28.206+0000)
I still never figured out why they nerfed her thought...she was really weak already, and all she was good for was ascention mode because of her crazy ascention xerath killing capability. then they truly made her unviable, i have seen main kalistas lose lane to shit like vayne where they'd usually absolutely WRECK her.
why they don't nerf twitch, in my personal opinion, is possibly to Keep his image up. he is quite possibly meant to embody this plague rate, this infestation in the rift, that the longer you take to burn it out the more dangerous it becomes.
twitch comps are legit the only ones that last into lategame, and thats usually where he wins -.-
quite possibly why he has such a winrate. thanks to him teams can actually get to lategame, where most champions are meant to be played anyway, ecspecially tank supports that synergize with twitch (Cough taric braum cough)
This is the classic case of you don't know what you want. You're asking for Kalista....hyper mobile adc to be viable. She single handedly invalidated almost every melee character in the game. She should never be strong
Eternal Torment1 votesYou are basically implying she should have never been created. because every champ has a right and a meta to be strong in. if Kalista, in your opinion, is supposted to NEVER be strong then you basically say she should not have been created to begin with because you imply that her being strong is gamebreaking in itself.
Grevi Pryjelas1 votesThat is likely what they are implying, it's a somewhat common sentiment I've seen echoed a lot, even just in this thread. Kalista's design is a problem, just like Azir's and Ryze's. Because of the way their kits are designed, because of what they are capable of doing as champions, if they are even slightly too good, they're overpowered and overbearing. Imagine a straight line that represents the state of balance a champion is in. At the extreme left is underused unplayable trash, at the far right is overpower super frustrating imba champs. Certain champs, Azir, Ryze, and Kalista most prominently, have difficulties on that line. If they're just a step too far to the right, they automatically jump all the way to the end because of their kits. If they're a step too far to the left, through nerfs mostly, then they get dragged all the way down. Honestly, the best way to balance champions who have that issue is to tweak their kits or rework them, removing the problem parts entirely, which is what they've tried (and failed) to do to Ryze 3 times and what they're trying to do to Azir with his changes in 7.19.
Eternal Torment2 votes"Kalista" and "OP" has never ever been in the same sentence for the sole reason that kalista's AAs are bound to one attack per dash, and her dashing speed and distance both scale with her movement speed which means slowing her not only cripples her mobility but also massively reduced her Overall dps. and unless you go 5 adc you will always have at least 1 slow which would be a junglers blue smite. having said that, kalista was the only champ of the 3 who's overload of power was covered with an equal overload of countermeasures. Azir got gutted because of his prominence in proplay and so did ryze. kalista didn't see that much pro Play even at her absolute Peak and yet got struck quite possibly as bad as azir did. the only issue what made azir more hyped as a topic was his massively inflated popularity due to lcs and bjergsen's combo moves we now know as the shuriman Shuffle
Ravore1 votes[{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9emzKmBd,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2017-09-21T15:01:05.261+0000)
You are basically implying she should have never been created. because every champ has a right and a meta to be strong in. if Kalista, in your opinion, is supposted to NEVER be strong then you basically say she should not have been created to begin with because you imply that her being strong is gamebreaking in itself.
Yup. Same with azir too. Having a champion completely invaldiate and shut down other classes with little to no counterplay shouldn't be allowed.
Eternal Torment2 votes"Little to no counterplay"
this is so wrong i can no longer take you seriously.
azir has plenty of counterplay. he is supceptive to strong trades, has no Tools to shred tanks, and his only defensive spell is his ultimate, which can be bypassed by a blink.
and champions that naturally have a blink? or have any other tool to directly bypass his R? Well...
W, 
E attack, 
E, 
Melee disposition, 
R, E (Not a blink but ignores any and all terrain), 
R is unstoppable, 
R is unstoppable, 
R is unstoppable (And animation can only be canceled with death), 
R, 
E, 
R is unstoppable, E, 
R is unstoppable, 
W lets him dive below terrain, 
Q, 
R AND W can cancel the knockback effect upon cast from azir, 
Q, 
R is unstoppable, 
R, 
R is unstoppable, R during flight is unstoppable, 
R cast, 
W and R swaps
So you tell me azir has no counterplay when legit half the champs listed here are meta, and all of the tanks in it are viable and seen in pro Play.
Same with kalista. Her dashes limited her AAs, meaning they created an artificial DPS scale depending with how good you can maneuver her. Kalista when slowed loses dps since she is limited to 1 AA per passive dash, and dash animation and distance both scale with movement speed, meaning the harder shes slowed the slower she dashes, which means the slower she AAs, which means the less AA she gets off, meaning any slow above 30% forces her to stand absolutely still to AA, and with her small ranges that makes her easy kill. Kalista is countered by any, ANY slow so long as the enemy team has just one means of engage against her. Kalista creates a different term of balance because both her kit and her countermeasures are overloaded.
Kalista is only OP against the wrong teamcompositions. a proper team that has a jungler which knows how to blue smite her can shut her down almost too effectively.
