So why did Jax and Nocturne get buffed again?

Because. Bruiser mains are the majority and no matter how strong, and no matter how hard they are fucking EVERY other class into the ground, they will ALWAYS be crying that they are weak.

compared to pyke, they are weak, so they need buffs -riot logic

Nocturne is garbo

Because Riot supports the community addiction to damage. If Aatrox is overtuned...rathe than Nerf him, because he's exciting and a fan favorite, they buff other champs to become just as OP.

To your Jax point specifically, though, Jax previously was not nerf worthy before. See the concept of a champion scaling to infinity and essentially being the literal best at dueling late game is not inherently an issue.

It only becomes an issue if your early game doesn't suck. If your early game is garbo, then you can be literally the best late game champ there is. It's a trade off right?

But this is where Riot drops the ball by chasing audience approval like a dog chasing it's tail. They have to make games shorter and make fighting happen earlier cuz the 15 year olds are getting bored. But then they also have to let scaling side lane champs be strong cuz those same selfish, "I'm gonna carry through a high light reel or I'm going to lose quickly" players also get mad when the game demands they learn how to team fight, control vision, and play the map. They want solo laners impact.

So they need Jax to be a viable pick, but they also need his early game to not be complete trash anymore. They backed themselves into a corner by not putting their foot down and saying, "Hey guys, we hear you, and we understand, but we believe in the long run that style of change/game is not going to be healthy for gameplay and champ pools long term"

It's all smoke and mirrors, all a refusal to appear as anything other than a yes man to your customers. And it breaks the game, ruins the integrity of the product. It's a short term gain for an exponential increase in risk long term. Same problem blizzard and many other top game producers have. They pass control to penny counters, who dictate that dev teams soak up as much profit as they can right now, leaving no freedom to create a long term tradition and overarching game.

Think of the NFL and NBA and traditional sports like that. They change very slowly and intentionally, but because there is no competition for the quality of their product and players they sustain year after year. Not worrying about reinventing the game, but tweeking to increase gains over time

Its pretty good for the meta to buff things that people aren't playing at a competitive level.

People dont play these champions at a competitive level.

^ basically patch notes btw

Nocturne needed a buff.

Jax did not.

And please no stupid DMG nerf on his R, it isn't that relevant as long as it still does Damage. The Problems are his CD and him letting no one escape once he has perma Q + E with 40% CDR + SoS.

Nocturne really needed the buff. Every assassin and/or diver does his job better. J4 was superior in every possible way.

Now Nocturne has a healthy enough clear to at least try ganking pre-6 and not get bumfucked by raptors.

Because they've been at a low winrate and mostly unplayable for anyone so they buffed them.

Jax no idea, but Noct was to clearly sell that upcoming skin ;)

Noct needed it. Jax did not

Seems like Riot wanted to make Jax counter ranged lane bullies harder. But like... the only reason ranged lane bullies are popular is because bruisers like Jax beat the snot out of everybody else in the lane... Hmmmmm

Worlds

Dont know about jax.

But Nocturn is getting a new skin. Better rush that buff for sales.

Nocturne needs a rework, not a buff. He is horribly outdated by the standards of today's champions which are hyper-mobile by comparison. He is a good duellist pre-6 which is to say there are some champions he can beat and some he can't and a lot of the meta picks are ones he can't. At 6 he becomes a decent assassin but he doesn't really do anything unique. Yeah he can jump on people that are out of position but what assassin can't do that?

Nocturne starts to fall off hard after mid game and the novelty of being able to ult people from long range wears off, even when fed you usually need to land your fear to secure a kill, there are plenty of other champions which could delete their target quicker. His spell shield is way too situational to be reliable in the chaos of mid/late game team fights and his "Q" is really just for utility and not damage.