What if Vlad was less exp-dependent, and more gold-dependent?

WoonStruck·Jan 17, 2017·2 votes·559 views

Making him a viable alternative bot lane would be a lot more interesting than watching him poke out top lane/sustaining through mid lane when he's strong, or just AFK farming vs those lanes that can't do anything to stop him when decent.

#I'm not saying I want it to happen (especially after Morde fiasco)

but I think having a champion that was once considered a damage-focused hypercarry viable in effectively the same role with the effectively the same powercurve and range of influence would be an interesting thing to have work.

Rather than consistent auto attacks, he'd have sustain to compensate early game, leaving him more interesting interactions with a lot of supports.

11 Comments

A Basic IslandJan 17, 20171 votes

bro i see you post all the time

i think you and i are alot alike and that we are on boards more than we are in game <.<

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

I'm on hiatus from the game because I think its so out of touch with how it should be.

I don't find it enjoyable (in general) and my main champion hardly functions no matter how hard I outplay people.

I post a lot because I want the game to get better, but I'm just waiting for it to really shine again.

BluePolarizerJan 17, 20171 votes

I actually like this idea. There used to be a Vlad-Lulu montage bot lane in season 3 where Lulu's W speedup gives vlad a mini-ghost, R is an AOE slow + knockup + AP steroid and E/Q give hm survivability and harass in lane.

It'd be cool if Vlad's AP scaling on Q/E was increased with a decreased health ratio on E, and add a minor slow to his Q if he has an ally nearby. This would allow him to become a decent bot laner.

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

Not to mention how strong things like item 3050 item 3001 (AP tanks building them for him so he can go SV) would be with him.

Galio (Yes, really; W would make Vlad so strong and make them a wall bot-lane together with Knight's Vow) Lulu Leona Zilean Morgana Sona Maokai (same as with galio, but with R) Taric Imagine a world where Vlad has a stun and 200 of each resist without losing any effective AP for it because of Zeke's Zilean Vlad with +100% MS running in to suicide bomb your team, plus revive and possible stun?

These would all be extremely strong supports with him.

SumatchiJan 17, 20171 votes

Vlad does fine top and in the midlane. To give him a third spot would break the meta . He's a tricky champion to play. Very cool down based rather than gold or xp I'd say

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

Obviously nobody wants the change I'm mentioning. I even explicitly state that I don't want it.

I'm talking about the concept of a mage with a similar power-curve and range of influence to the average ADC functioning in bot lane effectively without relying on a gimmick like Ziggs.

Also, Vlad relies on gold/EXP even more than CDR. CDR is a strong stat on him, but having a gold or exp lead, no matter how you use it, is infinitely more powerful than even 40% CDR.

In fact, if you get a lead, stacking AP early often is more potent than stacking CDR on him, though you absolutely need CDR at some point. It really depends on the match-up, though.

AhristocatsJan 17, 20171 votes

"morde fiasco"

morde was not made gold dependant, he was still xp dependant but has a passive allowing him to get 3 more levels than the enemy adc which was a terrible idea

if you want to make vlad less xp dependant you have to lower the cd of his spells in early ranks, as well increasing his AP ratio+decreasing his base damage

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

I was referring more to Riot pigeon-holing him bot lane at the expense of his solo lane at first.

And I'm talking about the concept of him, or even another DPS mage, being able to going bot lane successfully, not what you'd have to do to achieve it since Riot usually relies on gimmicks for things like that.

Big LincolnJan 17, 20171 votes

What if we make vlad a marksman

WoonStruckJan 17, 20171 votes

I've thought about him being something closer to Morphling in DotA before, but with AP/HP.

Would be hard to do properly, but still an interesting concept.

I think my first draft of assembling a working kit, just to see if something like that could even function healthily in LoL, was somewhat of a combination of DotA's Morphling, current Vlad in general game pattern, and Jhin's effectively 'high CD' auto attacks (Vlad would effectively auto attack for the same effect as his old Q), but that was before Vlad's rework and Jhin even existing even.

ErockandrollJan 17, 20171 votes

inevitably, any caster is going to be XP reliant. Anyone who relies on their abilities, is going to need to rank those abilities.

And given the amount of not just wave clear, but sustain. I'd imagine Vlad becoming bonkers if his kit was modified in such a way. (But I would still assume that he would function better with solo XP.)

ADC's generally fit the bill because they are AA reliant, and don't need as many ranks in their abilities. If you wanted to follow a similar vain, you could go for a Skirmisher (Melee ADC) in the bot lane, if you had some way for dealing with the ranged harass.