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Nidalee Balancing Suggestions

Stacona··2 votes·388 views

Nidalee OP and all that! Anyways, with that out of the way what I want to do is balance Nidalee with ideas. Also punishment for an out of mana Nidalee by giving pounce a mana cost since a spam able pounce is great fun and all being super mobile when you play as Nidalee; but remember there are 5 people on the receiving end of this who do not find this fun. Also absurd damage from spears while being super safe; and absurd damage just from one spear guaranteed to deal over 60% of your health unless you are a tank then it is over 30% of your health as a tank with a lot of health and magic resist while being super safe.

Javelin Toss (Q): Cooldown: 6/5.25/4.5/3.75/3 seconds [from 6]; Cost: 60/65/70/75/80 Mana [from 50/60/70/80/90]; Range: 1500 units Damage 60/80/100/120/140(+40%AP) [from 50/75/100/125/150(+40%AP)] Cap damage lowered to 200% from 300% (120/160/200/240/280(+80%AP)) [from 150/225/300/375/450(+120%AP)]

Cougar: Takedown (Q): Cooldown: 5 seconds Ability Power ratio increased to 40% [from 36%] Cap damage decreased to 200% from 250%

Cougar: Pounce (W): Cooldown 5 seconds; Cost: 35/30/25/20 Mana {rank points are based on R rank for Cougar abilities} [from 0]

Primal Surge (E): Cooldown: 12/11/10/9/8 seconds [from 12]; Cost: 60/70/80/90/100 Mana [from 60/75/90/105/120]; Range: 600 units Heal reduce to 45/70/95/120/145(+40%AP) health [from 45/85/125/165/205(+50%AP)] No longer grants 20/30/40/50/60% attack speed for 7 seconds; now enhances the healed target's next basic attack to deal 20/35/50/65/80(+40%AP) as bonus magic damage (would apply to turrets) which the enhanced basic attack lasts for up to 4 seconds.

Okay this is something I need to iterate on. First the heal is less bursty and more sustainy but overall it is roughly equal values of heal to the current heal. The point that I need to iterate on is the removal of the attack speed buff; there is something that I am surprised no one has ever questioned to "Why does Nidalee have an Attack Speed steroid?" This is actually a really weird buff to Nidalee considering she is this poke champion, with an assassin play style while a kitty cat and her entire kit does not have any synergy whatsoever with having an attack speed steroid. So to help add synergy to Nidalee's kit and keep this spell as a good trading spell you can now heal yourself and deal extra damage on your next basic attack. Plus this can potentially add more risk to Nidalee to get off more damage by placing herself into her shorter 525 basic attack range (obviously she can still heal an ally and they will apply the extra damage, but still).

Hope you appreciate the ideas and have a good day! ~ Stacona

2 Comments

Stacona1 votes

bump

SwiftKitten881 votes

while this is a lot better than most of the ranodm nerf nidalee threads out there i still think your missing some key points.

the first thing is which is unless you have PLAYED nidalee since her auto attack nerfs.. you really dont realise how pretty much impossible it is to CS with her.

infact the top rated nidalee guide pretty much use your rune page to compensate for the AD nerf becuase her Auto attacks are completely unsuable for CSing in human.

in order for nid to even stay EVEN with a lane opponent in farm she NEEDS to use ALL her cougar form abilities. and this puts her in melee range where she is an easy target. this is one of nidalees key weaknesses in laning phase is that she NEEDS cougar form to effectively CS.

another issue that nidalee has in lane is landing spears. while in the jungle she can approach form odd angle to land spears the majority of time in lane she onyl really has 1 side to approach from and there are usally minions in front.. so unless nidalee can kill those minions or flank her oppoent (which he can also easily move around (like your trying to chase someone around a table) as long as there is a minion between you and nidalee, she cant touch you. so makign your your lane is pushed vs nidalee makes it so he has a very hard time landing spears on you.

if you gave nidalee cougar abilties a mana cost it would quite literally make it impossible to farm as her. zed can farm fore free at distance while safewith his escape ability always up . nidalee has to get in melee range and use her escape ability to help farm. granted ZED is seriously op in this manner and is an extreme case. but the points being nid already has a huge drawback to farming in cougar form.

nidalee spear cooldown isnt really an issue the only thing a spear cooldown does is lessen the time thier opponents cam play agressive against her and not have to worry about standing behind anything nidalee will never throw her spears on cooldowns unless her oppoent is ALWAYS out in the open,

another thing you people need to relaise is that unlike other assasins like Diana Leblanc Zed Katarina Kassadin nidalee needs to land a skillshot before she can dash to her target. even diana can still use her ulti without landing a skillshot. the cresnt just makes it easier and it also dones't stop on the first enemy hit.

again there are all assasin who can efftively do what nidalee's pounce does AFTER she lands a spear on them.

and i dont really know what on earth your trying to do with nidalee's heal.. giving her a free item 3100 proc would make her tremendously more powerful than she is now. which really isn't what i seems to think you want

and again your missing the fact that although nidalee's Q is very strong vs hunted targets. alot of this late game damage is coming from lich bane as takedown counts as a basic attack and will proc lich bane. so some of that damage spike is lich bane and not takedown itself, which im not sure your taking into account.

and again nidalee is an assasin designed to take down squishy champs. she will almost always lose to any bruiser unless she has a very large number of kills on them. and nidalee herself is squishy and very prone to any form ofc CC, especially stuns and silences

as for her javlin toss nerf. that is uncalled for really.. its a hard to hit skillshot.. it not like leblanc who just teles on top of you. its a skillshot that stops at the first target hit

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