Daily reminder that Zed is an assassin

Lithium Rosa··32 votes·1,980 views
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With 1600 range harassment. While people constantly bitching at lux for having 1300 range. [zombie-brand-clap]

Edit : I see a lot of Zed players are saying "muh vunerable muh cast time muh no escape" How about compare with Lux before you speak , she has no escape from the beginning, and a shorter range than you, and she is defined as typical too-long-ranged-mage. While you are a fuking** Assassin**

It might be easier to dodge, but the thing is,even the potential of hitting people from 1600 range away should not be given to an assassin

85 Comments

Meep Man23 votes

His requires two abilities. I mean, Zed is Zed, but he's not broken. Sure, annoying, but broken? No.

Also, that 1600 range poke is very easy to dodge.

MissMikasa18 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sm9pBRGM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-03T15:33:48.189+0000)

Also, that 1600 range poke is very easy to dodge.

Not really

YCitizenSnipsY4 votes

The last nerf he received was W+Q combo that makes it slower. If you still can't dodge it after that nerf than I think Zed isn't your issue.

MissMikasa1 votes

What a rude thing to say, and yes it is hard to dodge.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

V5.22:

Living Shadow.png Living Shadow
    Fixed a bug where casting at the same time as his other abilities would avoid the cast time. 

How is telling the truth rude? They specifically made the combo slower to pull off just so people can more accurately anticipate it.

MissMikasa1 votes

"If you still can't dodge it after that nerf than I think Zed isn't your issue."

That is rude and insinuating that people have bad skill.

And even if it's slower, it's still hard to dodge.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

They have already made it easier to dodge! What more do you want, the thing to be unable to hit?

MissMikasa1 votes

I want it easier than it is now. I also want his passive changed or nerfed, and his ult nerfed even more.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

LoL good luck waiting for all of that to happen.

MissMikasa1 votes

It won't happen only cause Riot is biased towards him and Lee Sin. All for LC$BIGPLAYS

ItsCalledALance2 votes

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The last nerf he received was W+Q combo that makes it slower. If you still can't dodge it after that nerf than I think Zed isn't your issue.

Just dodge it huh?

Nidalee "you were saying?"

boosted frog1 votes

The mini delay between having zed's shadow land and throwing the q from the shadow messes me up all the time

I gotta either be laning against someone who has predictable movements/minion blocked, be a bit closer than the max shadow q range or slow the enemy with shadow e before throwing a q lol imaterriblezed

Vistha Kai4 votes

It's as easy to dodge as the max range Shuriken (basic, without the Shadow).

If you get hit by it while not being hard CC'd, it's your fault.

Harsh, but unfortunate truth.

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

just dodge it has always proven to be the best counter play and at no time has a poke champion ever been too powerful because of that fact.

Vistha Kai3 votes

We are speaking about dodging a delayed skillshot with travel time and relatively small hitbox, at it's max possible range.

I know "just dodge" is over-used at this point - even I make fun of this phrase at times - and I will end up being downvoted simply for using it, but the thing discussed in this thread is literally the least problematic - borderline laughable even - part of Zed's kit and, ironically, the most fair thing he has, with the most counterplay available to every single champion, regardless of their builds, at any point of the game.

If anything, you should complain about him clearing minion waves like there is no tomorrow.

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

yeah true, sorry for my sarcasm btw.

Lithium Rosa2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sm9pBRGM,comment-id=00010000000200000000,timestamp=2016-02-03T21:02:32.899+0000)

We are speaking about dodging a delayed skillshot with travel time and relatively small hitbox, at it's max possible range.

I know "just dodge" is over-used at this point - even I make fun of this phrase at times - and I will end up being downvoted simply for using it, but the thing discussed in this thread is literally the least problematic - borderline laughable even - part of Zed's kit and, ironically, the most fair thing he has, with the most counterplay available to every single champion, regardless of their builds, at any point of the game.

If anything, you should complain about him clearing minion waves like there is no tomorrow.

I made another thread before about how his "window" is a trap because he can regenerate his energy too quickly while his Q&E have a very low CD & his ult doesn't cost energy at all. Yeah that means when you see he is literaly out of energy and just used his abilities, and you want to all in because you thought he can't fight back, he can just ult you back and manage to pull off a full combo.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Death Mark restores all of Zed's energy instantly.

You heard it here first, folks.

Lithium Rosa1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sm9pBRGM,comment-id=0001000000020000000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-05T14:26:16.189+0000)

Death Mark restores all of Zed's energy instantly.

You heard it here first, folks.

If you can't read that's not my problem. Probably too much to ask for an assassin player's brain

Vistha Kai1 votes

>Played Syndra for 4 years. >Gets called an assassin player.


OK, let's see what you wrote, that apparently I have problem reading and understanding.

I made another thread before about how his "window" is a trap because he can regenerate his energy too quickly while his Q&E have a very low CD & his ult doesn't cost energy at all.

Unless Zed has a blue buff and/or energy runes(Which nobody, ever uses) he will ALWAYS regenerate 10 points of energy a second, meaning he restores all his energy from 0 to full(200 points) in 20 seconds.

Always. It does not change by leveling, buying items or the use of ally or enemy abilities. It can't be modified without blue buff.

Zed's Razor Shuriken starts with 75 energy cost at rank 1 and scales down to 55 at rank 5. Razor Shuriken has a flat cooldown of 6 seconds at all ranks.

Meaning Zed without any CDR, using his Shuriken the moment it goes of cooldown will effectively not be regenerating energy until the Shuriken reaches max rank, at which point he will restore 5 energy every 6 seconds.

Zed having even 10% CDR will not restore energy using Razor Shuriken.

Shadow Slash has flat energy cost of 50 with flat cooldown of 4 seconds. At any rank with any amount of CDR Zed will not regenerate energy while using Shadow Slash.

Yeah that means when you see he is literaly out of energy and just used his abilities, and you want to all in because you thought he can't fight back, he can just ult you back and manage to pull off a full combo.

If Zed just used his abilities and it put him at 0 energy, he will NOT be able to use any of his basic damaging abilities for at least 5 seconds. He will be able to use his Living Shadow for at least 2 seconds, at which point actual response to all-in will be delayed to 7 seconds since using up all energy.


Now, let's go back to what I sarcastically said, which apparently shows I can't read.

Death Mark restores all of Zed's energy instantly.

You heard it here first, folks.

And compare to the last sentence of your previous response.

He can just ult you back and manage to pull off a full combo.

The only logical explanation is that Zed's Death Mark indeed restores most if not all of Zed's Energy, because otherwise it's technically and practically IMPOSSIBLE for him to pull off full combo after using ultimate.


TL;DR You don't even know what you wrote yourself, but still argue about it.

Lithium Rosa1 votes

Unless Zed has a blue buff and/or energy runes(Which nobody, ever uses) he will ALWAYS regenerate 10 points of energy a second, meaning he restores all his energy from 0 to full(200 points) in 20 seconds.

http://i.imgur.com/ek7Jj15.png Sorry I'm not interested to read the rest part since you proved your stupidity at the beginning

Vistha Kai1 votes

Yeah, the only thing I proved is that you can't read.

He will only regain energy if he strikes his target by both Shurikens or Shadow Slashes.

For landing two Shurikens, his target needs to be in 900 range and for landing two Slashes, in melee range.

ItsCalledALance1 votes

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just dodge it has always proven to be the best counter play and at no time has a poke champion ever been too powerful because of that fact.

Nidalee "I hate you...."

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sm9pBRGM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-03T15:33:48.189+0000)

His requires two abilities. I mean, Zed is Zed, but he's not broken. Sure, annoying, but broken? No.

Also, that 1600 range poke is very easy to dodge.

its feels so balanced when zed 100-0 you with just a long sword.

but i will admit that lux is way better than zed. she never falls off unlike zed. and because of her poke and cc. shes hard to team fight against. and generally win a game against a competent lux that will deny you any chance to start a fight or make a pick

magic pole3 votes

also, let me add shuriken damage is reduced once it hits an enemy (minions)

AbusingMyRights1 votes

at the 1600 range you will only hit with one shuriken as well limiting the potential damage from using your shadow in the first place. Not ideal.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sm9pBRGM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-03T15:33:48.189+0000)

Also, that 1600 range poke is very easy to dodge.

No easier than the majority of other skill shots. At least you can minion block other skill shots that a much shorter range. So I would say Zed's is easier to hit than most.

JQKAndrei14 votes

1600 range once every 18 seconds, and with a clear delay. People don't punish Zed for having wasted his escape to harrass, people get killed, people cry.

Lithium Rosa9 votes

punish Zed for having wasted his escape

Escape from where? you are under your turret if you can shoot people from 1600 units away

JQKAndrei8 votes

If you stay behind minions, Zed will inevitably hit them with his rotation, pushing the wave to your tower. Once done, after he does that again, he will be close to your tower, you know that this rotation takes like 0.75 seconds to execute which leaves Zed in one place, vulnerable to any ability you may throw at him because he threw his shadow in your face and the only thing he can do now is right click until he reaches his tower.

Vistha Kai2 votes

He can.

But it's entirely up to his enemy to get hit from 1600 range.

Also, the fact he used his Shadow and that he's under your tower is a free food for the jungler. Or for you to retaliate, because he has little-to-no energy left, can't reposition and is out of range to do anything, but to throw Shuriken.

Really, you whine about his QW range of all things. Unfathomable.

boosted frog2 votes

Yeah he's gonna use a wq and either miss or do barely any damage

fééd l0rd7 votes

Lux e is basically undodgeable in lane while Zed's wqe combo can be dodged by just sidestepping. Zed is really strong in lane and he is kinda supposed to be obnoxious in lane so he can do something before everyone on the enemy bought qss, zhonias or armor. Also Zed's w is on a 19 second cooldown on level 1. Lucent Singularity has a 10 second cooldown.

I kinda agree that Zed can be frustrating to deal with but he is a lot easier to deal with for me than Lux is. Lux with bluebuff is basically a nightmare on midlane. Every q can be your death.

I don't get the recent circlejerk about Zed. I mean he is so damn fair. You can dodge his shuriken, stand behind minions to reduce the damage, cleanse or zhonias his ultimate and he is really predictable. Meanwhile Akali will jump at you 3 times in a row.

Vistha Kai2 votes

Meanwhile Akali will jump at you 3 times in a row.

And if you can't 100-0 her within one second she already won.

stealthfox946 votes

1600 range for two abilities? Jayce that's cute.

ForgiveColour5 votes

gotta love how you compared an assassins to

utility, aoe, control, early, mid, late, execute, waveclear, aoe shield, cc, assassin, 5000 range damage nuke champ lmao

Lithium Rosa3 votes

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gotta love how you compared an assassins to

utility, aoe, control, early, mid, late, execute, waveclear, aoe shield, cc, assassin, 5000 range damage nuke champ lmao

Gotta love how you admitting he is an assassin but ignoring that assassins shouldn't have strong harassment

ForgiveColour3 votes

Yeah i agree only mages should be strong throughout the entire game while being a utility, aoe, control, early, mid, late, execute, waveclear, aoe shield, cc, assassin, 5000 range damage nuke mage. How dare those filthy assassins that cant kill me because i play at 5000 range even have an answer to my cancerous laning phase.

Lithium Rosa3 votes

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Yeah i agree only mages should be strong throughout the entire game while being a utility, aoe, control, early, mid, late, execute, waveclear, aoe shield, cc, assassin, 5000 range damage nuke mage. How dare those filthy assassins that cant kill me because i play at 5000 range even have an answer to my cancerous laning phase.

That's actually 3000 range. But anyway, you are avoiding the point about why is an assassin having strong poke, this has nothing to do with shield, cc, waveclear(Zed actually have good waveclear as well and Lux sucks at waveclear, but let's leave that alone), execute(???) We are talking about poke here, and you didn't even dare to mention this word in your post, because you can't explain why is an assassin having it, lmao nice try.

ForgiveColour2 votes

lol this disgusting mage main at their finest good try you main will get gutted soon

And are you trying to say lux poke is weak? Yeah you have to be just trolling right now

Lithium Rosa4 votes

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lol this disgusting mage main at their finest good try you main will get gutted soon

And are you trying to say lux poke is weak? Yeah you have to be just trolling right now

Where did I say Lux poke is weak? Point it out, you have this quote feature on the forum and you are not using it, because you are randomly making up points to prove me wrong. That's silly.

I'm saying assassins shouldn't have poke, Lux is good at poking doesn't mean it's fair to make Zed the same. You seem to keep avoiding this point, funny.

ForgiveColour2 votes

You make no sense go read the stuff you just said and see how biased and retarded you are

Lithium Rosa3 votes

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You make no sense go read the stuff you just said and see how biased and retarded you are

Yup, now the debate ends and you entered the personal attack mode, that's your only option because you can't find any valid point within this assassin-poke topic anymore. Grow up kid.

le me show you the progress of our discussion "assassins shouldn't have poke" "But Lux is good at poking" "That's right but assassins shouldn't have poke." "But Mages have cc, shield and poke as well!" "That's right but assassins shouldn't have poke" "You are biased and retarded." [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ForgiveColour2 votes

Ugh the debate ended the moment you decide to be biased af few responses ago not sure how you didnt realize it. Maybe mage mains brain is too small?

Lithium Rosa2 votes

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Ugh the debate ended the moment you decide to be biased af few responses ago not sure how you didnt realize it. Maybe mage mains brain is too small?

I came here to discuss and I'm sorry that I didn't realize personal attack is the only meaningful thing to assassin mains. Their brains are probably too small to contain anything else.

ForgiveColour2 votes

Oh look im getting downvoted now looks like the anti assassins circlejerk and bronzies came out

Wimbledofy2 votes

no it's just that a lot of what you wrote is in broken english and is hard to understand. And then you tried to personally attack him.

ForgiveColour2 votes

Im using the simpliest word and you say its hard to understand? Maybe you should stay in school buddy

Wimbledofy3 votes

"gotta love how you compared an assassins to

utility, aoe, control, early, mid, late, execute, waveclear, aoe shield, cc, assassin, 5000 range damage nuke champ lmao"

it's precisely because you just used "simple words" that made it nonsensical. You said love how you compared assassins to assassins. In what world does that make sense? Since when is lux an assassin, and if she is then of course he can be compared to her. But she isn't so that's why it didn't make sense.

And of course here you go with the insults again, maybe if someone doesn't understand something, try to help them understand it instead of insulting them?

AHeroNamedHawke3 votes

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That's actually 3000 range. But anyway, you are avoiding the point about why is an assassin having strong poke, this has nothing to do with shield, cc, waveclear(Zed actually have good waveclear as well and Lux sucks at waveclear, but let's leave that alone), execute(???) We are talking about poke here, and you didn't even dare to mention this word in your post, because you can't explain why is an assassin having it, lmao nice try.

Because the poke is shit? Good poke is actually consistent and presents a threat, Zed "poking" you at max range is an extremely telegraphed shuriken that hits 1 target for noticeable damage and puts his entire kit on cooldown for the next 10 seconds

Meanwhile Lux is poking your team at 425 less range, but instead of dealing 150-250 physical damage with her poke rotation she kills the target instantly

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