Please realize 3/1/10 is way better than 20/19/2

Lithium Rosa·Mar 5, 2016·132 votes·5,448 views

especially if you are an early game champion, or they have late game champions, trading kills = slow suicide.

82 Comments

AnidanMar 5, 201650 votes

I'm sure this post has nothing to do with the other thread titled _ 8/7/0 is not better than 0/7/20_. Nothing at all.

LOL SpammerMar 6, 20163 votes

At least they didn't copy reddit.... They didn't right?

VerxintMar 5, 201629 votes

The postgame should have a "Gold given to enemy team" stat so people realize this.

Der LindwurmMar 5, 20164 votes

Ezreal I WENT 25/23/5 I CARREED!!1

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The postgame should have a "Gold given to enemy team" stat so people realize this.

I think it actually does account for that in "gold spent".

PunkkeeMar 5, 20164 votes

if an ez got 23 deaths something is wrong and i see trump written all over it the end of the world is coming impossible is now possible

Billy VoHagenMar 6, 20165 votes

Implying other candidates would be better than trump. Kek.

Faceless VoidzMar 6, 20163 votes

They would be, not that any would be great.

Billy VoHagenMar 6, 20163 votes

Trump isn't great, but neither are any of the alternatives. Hillary should be in jail, sanders is a socialist cuck, and while there are some good republican candidates, in the current state of the election, they can't stop trump.

da gloriousMar 6, 20161 votes

Sanders isn't a cuck. He's just REALLY misled and naive. Cruz would have a chance if Rubio dropped out, but unfortunately that's probably not going to happen.

Billy VoHagenMar 6, 20162 votes

http://m.imgur.com/YJIXjhK

:^)

POOPEATER8000Mar 7, 20161 votes

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da gloriousMar 7, 20161 votes

U do know that gay marriage is legal according to the Supreme Court right? And sanders as president won't really make a difference.

jmanosuMar 7, 20161 votes

uhhhhh? okay.... I don't think the people voting for sanders are all homosexuals or transgender. Bernie isn't running on a anarchy plan, You can argue on whether or not his policies would work or not is justified, but ever major candidate running wants what they think would help the American people. Whether there plan would work is up for you to decided.

Painted CeltMar 6, 20161 votes

I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the upcoming election, but so far, I think Cruz is the most reasonable of the candidates that are having any success. However, none of the Democratic/Republican candidates seem like they would be great presidents to me personally... We need someone who is foremost a leader, not a shallow politician or celebrity clown...

I personally wish Rand Paul could get a chance. People dissatisfied with Republican/Democrat politics should support Libertarian. The Republicans/Democrats are too invested in the status quo to bring about much meaningful improvement. The dominant political parties have shifted before. If we young voters push for Libertarian, I think we can make it happen.

Even if you don't think the Libertarians have a chance to win this time, you can help them get more support in the future by voting for them.

OneSmoothDudeMar 7, 20162 votes

Sanders has spent literally decades dealing with the national government. On what ground do you stand upon that you can call him "REALLY misled and naive"?

da gloriousMar 9, 20161 votes

Just because he's been a senator doesn't mean that he automatically knows exactly what he's doing. Look at Rubio. Yeah, he's worked in Congress for a really long time, but you should keep in mind that in all his time, he's only had 3 bills he's sponsored been passed, 2 of which were renaming post offices. I like the guy, but it's doubtful that he'll actually win since people avoid voting for him because Hillary has so much sway, people don't like socialists, the numbers don't really check out like he says they will, and he's really old and not in very good shape. Yeah Hilary's old, but she looks to be in way better shape.

ArakadiaMar 7, 20161 votes

What law did Hilary break? Or are you just saying she's not a good candidates?

Billy VoHagenMar 7, 20161 votes

The whole e-mail thing.

jmanosuMar 7, 20161 votes

Thats an investigation. The FBI has not found any miss conduct on here part. As of today there is no substantial evidence that could convict her of a crime if she had committed one. Though I do dislike her because of her flipflop nature on issues and lying on several occasions, I wouldn't saw she is a criminal based on the idea of innocent until proven guilty.

Brohan46Mar 7, 20162 votes

She was accused of mishandling classified information. It has been confirmed that she did indeed, mishandle not just secret and top secret material... but also SAP material. Its hardly a "innocent until proven guilty" scenario. Its much more of a "she didn't follow the proper protocol, lets see how much damage was done (if any) and figure out what the next step should be" situation.

jmanosuMar 8, 20161 votes

Fox news might be saying that but as of right now the FBI has only confirmed they are doing an investigation (if they had significant evidence that proves her guilty she would already be convicted). If the FBI finds evidence showing that Hilliary is at fault. Then she deserves to go to jail. But until the FBI finishes there investigation she is not a criminal nor deserves to go to jail. She is woman that is accused of mishandling classified information. Under our laws she is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.

chipndip1Mar 6, 20161 votes

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The postgame should have a "Gold given to enemy team" stat so people realize this.

Like...for the love of big anime titties why don't we have that already?

Slamurai JackMar 5, 201620 votes

To be fair, 20/19/2 is most likely the score of the 1 guy who did well on an otherwise massively feeding team.

KetiMar 5, 201613 votes

but 19 deaths IS massively feeding

KnoyleMar 6, 20165 votes

The only way I don't see those 19 deaths as a problem is if they were all Support sacrifices but then that brings up the question why the support has 20 kills.

RendarkanMar 6, 20169 votes

Or the assassin nailed the carry and hoped the team would follow up but it was just tumble weeds and everyone was split pushing. Apparently it happened 19 times.

Talon : "OK THE CARRY IS DOWN EVERYONE GO!!!" -looks behind him and sees no one- ;-; "Please spare me... my sphincter is not ready for this..."

Rammus Shen Garen Leona : "No lube."

KetiMar 6, 20162 votes

in that case the assassin is getting ultra fed just to trade for a 1 for 1, while dying 19 times, feeding tons of gold all over the enemy team.

OneSmoothDudeMar 7, 20161 votes

This irks me. I remember a game where I had a Talon who constantly traded 1 for 1, all game. Also, since he was a Talon, if he got a kill it was solo, whereas the enemy team got plenty of assists from his deaths, thereby increasing the amount of gold he gave them by 50%.

Mid game, he's near 15 kills and 15 deaths. It's much harder for me, the top laner who won lane with a mild score of 2/0/3, to carry a game when every person on their team has more gold than I do.

(All these numbers were pulled out of thin air, as this was like a year ago. But you get the point.)

1 800 MID LANEMar 6, 20161 votes

Especially when resetting your gold by getting kills on top of it. I'd honestly rather see 1-19-0 than getting a bunch of kills on top of it. Feeding ceases to be feeding when you're only worth a cannon minion.

Midder ScrayMar 6, 20162 votes

Maybe 18 of those deaths were the guy running into the enemy's turrets because they got trapped and didn't wanna give them kills

CaptnJakSparrowMar 6, 20161 votes

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To be fair, 20/19/2 is most likely the score of the 1 guy who did well on an otherwise massively feeding team.

Depends.

always get a kick out of the Caitlyn I see constantly killing Vayne , but dying to her + MasterYi + Soraka .

Then the 8/5/0 Caitlyn Is wondering why she's dying to the 4/8 /6 Vayne That then proceeds to get multiple pentakills and eventually win the game.

Faceless VoidzMar 8, 20161 votes

19 deaths is never justified when playing league of legends, ever.

Only Play DariusMar 6, 20163 votes

What about 3/1/0 ? Nasus

ViashinoWizardMar 6, 20165 votes

Who needs to kill champions when you can 1-shot towers?

LlaniteMar 6, 20163 votes

Depends on the champ.

20/19 Twitch will blow a your ass off, a 3/1/10 twitch is typically not a big threat. Tryn/Yi/Jax/Twitch should always trade kills if no other objective is involved.

notmebuthimMar 6, 20162 votes

Unless its ARAM.

1 800 MID LANEMar 6, 20162 votes

If it's ARAM, everyone's feeding anyways.

YossarianSenseiMar 6, 20162 votes

KDA means nothing

If 2/15/5 generates more map pressure than 3/1/10 then so be it

Dan AbnormalMar 6, 20162 votes

at 15 death you're generating map pressure alright, just not for the right team

Lost HpMar 7, 20161 votes

So whos better in 50 min game?

Janna 03/01/10 / Minion Kills 0 KogMaw 20/19/02 / Minions Kills 350

We can play this game all day long and we always woud get a diffrent result.

But i rather say the same thing as in the other topic. To only to look at a KDA is stupid you need to look at each game individually.

Because the KDA is nothing more as a statistic number.

It neither includes the flow of the game. Take in account of champions and match ups. Farm or Impact of individual plays.

You dont see in a KDA The baron steal what started the comeback The dragon steal what delay the game The champion with 350 farm at 40 min The crucial moment what lost/won you the game The damage what a player has done in combat The Player who never is present but clean up the teamfights The player whos running away to save his perfect kda

I rather sacrifice myself as support player to safe my ADC or create possibilitys for my team before walking away and have a good KDA. Of course suicide missions not includet.

Lost HpMar 7, 20161 votes

I assume you spend no time to think or look at the situation.

Because you woud have noticed the gap between the ADC Kills and the Support Assists

There are not many possibilitys to create somthing like this!

A Support is AFK B Support is always somewhere else on the map C Support is only half of the time where he shoud be

But he the Support has the better KDA so the ADC must be at fault!

Beside this it looks like it does not matter to you that the Kog is dead even on kills and has full build. Or that 1 mistake can cost you the game.

Lithium RosaMar 7, 20161 votes

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I assume you spend no time to think or look at the situation.

Because you woud have noticed the gap between the ADC Kills and the Support Assists

There are not many possibilitys to create somthing like this!

A Support is AFK B Support is always somewhere else on the map C Support is only half of the time where he shoud be

But he the Support has the better KDA so the ADC must be at fault!

Beside this it looks like it does not matter to you that the Kog is dead even on kills and has full build. Or that 1 mistake can cost you the game.

I didn't say that's support and adc score in the one game tho, they are supposed to be different scenarios of the same person. sorry I didn't take time to read over the block of text you wrote and realize that's how you thought. I randomly made those numbers up, they are not from a real game, and I'm not a butthurt support coming from a defeated game, no I don't even play support. But anyway, my original idea of this thread is that these scores are compared between the same role. Even for Kog, 3/1/10 is better than 20/19/2 because yes,

1 mistake can cost you the game

That is exactly what's gonna happen if you haven't finished the game after 20 kills and 19 deaths, that's called late game.

Lost HpMar 7, 20161 votes

Well even if your numbers are made up the are pretty accurate i had a game with similar numbers some days ago

** Beside this taking no gametime in account**

Some Champions like MasterYi Fiora Quinn KogMaw woud still be better and dangerous with a score of 20/19/2 as with of KDA 3/1/10

It all summs up to what champions your playing

Dont get me wrong normaly i woud say the same as you! Playing safe is the right choice but sometimes you dont have this option because certain champions massively outscale others in mid/late game or like currently in the meta you need to win as fast as possible to not to risk tilting because of death timers.

So you are forced more or less to risk trades and as long the right person benefits from it is ok.

OneSmoothDudeMar 7, 20161 votes

Ehh, gotta disagree with you on that one.

If someone is 20/19/2, that means they've spent a lot of time dead. They have also given the enemy team a lot of gold. Both of these things are very counter-intuitive to playing well.

If someone is truly trying to do well, they would get a kill without being killed himself, so they can provide map pressure and do things while the opponent is off the field.

Additionally, if you have 20 kills, you might be individually fed, sure. But with 19 deaths, that means that not only have you given them 19 kills worth of gold (holy cow), but also probably, what, 40+ assists? That's an ENORMOUS amount of gold you've given up.

So now not only is their entire team is at least moderately fed (just from you alone; never mind what they've been doing to your poor teammates) compared to your teammates, but you, with your oh-so-massive 20 kills, can't seem to do anything because you always trade 1-for-1. You are now effectively less than worthless to your team.

zacktootallMar 7, 20161 votes

oh geez can punch you

EpikFeederMar 7, 20161 votes

Lies. 3/1/10 = 13 kill participation. 20/19/2 = 22 kill participation.

ZavernMar 7, 20161 votes

But they have also given the enemy team 19 kills while the other person only gave one. If the 20/19/2 didn't give so many than the match wouldn't be so hard to win. He could be 10/3/2 or 5/2/2 and not give the enemy team such an advantage. A player that has that type of KDA shows that they throw caution to the wind and are usually the type to throw matches.

Faceless VoidzMar 8, 20161 votes

5700 gold vs 300

zacktootallMar 7, 20161 votes

3/1/10 - the deaths = 2/0/9 really good 20/19/2 -the deaths = 1/0/0 no wear close to as good

Lost HpMar 7, 20161 votes

You cant play chicken if the enemy team will ouscale you mid/late game your sitting on a ticking timebomb. If your to passive you will lose the game at some point without making a mistake.
The Situation is fundamental different for each matchup! Trading with a champion what outscale you is of course bad but if you have the better scalling its the opposite.
Like it ot not Hypercarries can win the games alone the best examples we all probably experienced is a master yi. With a similar score of 20/19/2 he can destroy teams without problems.
Yeah a player with 20/19/2 died many times and spends a long time at the nexus but the at same time this counts for the enemy to because he died a equal number of times.