Give me back the old thornmail

Amen. Just do this Riot. Do this while keeping the new champs and start fresh for everything else so we can get everything from season 5 till now done RIGHT. Aaaaamennn praaaaise jeeezus faints

as a top laner, please no. S4 meta top lane was ryze and the 4 champions he didn't completely destroy for free.

DFG

it's scaling effectiveness

Like seriously if it really scales i'd be somewhat happy. It provides something like 60~70 damage per hit when you reach 300 armor, That "scaling" is just a joke.

You could make the "win more" argument for every champ/item...

If anything, the issue at hand is that armor items are too diverse. Which forces Thornmail into either being the nail in the coffin for AA based champions or to be the really niche item it is now.

No. This is bad idea.

Thornmail should scale ONLY with enemy stats, like:

30% of enemy physical damage

or

15% of enemy magic damage

You buy this item when you know soon you won't handle ADCs and you'll need something to keep them in check. You'll most likely be behind with CS/gold, thus if Thornmail did scale with your stats, you'd have totally useless item. (And that's what we have right now. Even when you are ahead by 3k gold it still fking sucks).

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make it viable on more than few select champs taric/rammus/malph used to be good on bruisers, now its exclusive to tanks

The thing is it's not even good on Tanks now, it does not provide the same tankiness as other armor items due to lack of hp, while providing shitty damage that can't even pass through anyone who has lifesteal

It's not even good on Malphite/Rammus, at least way worse than before. You get 100 damage from your armor scale** if you have 500 armor**, and that doesn't match 15% of enemies' attack damage which you lost compare to old thornmail.

It's still good on HP stacking sustain-based bruisers like Olaf.

and only against few others

If you thought old Thornmail was enough to 1 v 1 a fed auto attacker you're moronic. It was just a small boost vs a slightly ahead enemy so they have to worry about hitting you while your team tries to slap them.

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Ya guys lets let tanks 1v1 a fed master yi just by buying one item! Thats fair!

.... Well first of all a single thornmail isn't enough to stop a fed Yi , unless that Tank is fed as well. Secondly, you don't have to choose tank, you got the option as Yi, you can chase down anyone , any squishes as you like while Tanks can't kill you as they want. The onlything Thornmail can do is preventing you from melting them, it doesn't give tanks the ability to kill you if you don't want to fight them. While you can kill anyone who dosn't want to kill you. So given this, thornmail is **suppoed **to be more effective against auto attcakers than just one common attack item, because it's 1.situational, 2.defensive. It used to do a decent job, it's been there for 5 years and nobody ever complained it for being op, but they decided to change it to trash anyway.

And current Yi building Guinsoo + tanky build outdamaging just about every other hyper carry late game and deleting full tanks with FH and Thornmail is fair. Ok

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Ya guys lets let tanks 1v1 a fed master yi just by buying one item! Thats fair!

Yes Yi auto attacks, but that doesn't mean Thornmail was ever a counter to Yi. You're just as bad as the people who keep saying to build FH against Yi. If you have any small amount of armor his E+on hits from items and his Q will severely out damage his actual AA damage. So the only damage he takes from Thornmail really is the base reflect damage, which I believe old Thornmail didn't even have. His standard build also includes lifesteal and some MR and tanks don't buy penetration, further negating the damage from the item, and he also gains mr/lvl as well.

Only if it's contingent like Morello's is, free stats are always a bad idea. (Executioner's Calling is gated by how horribly it's outclassed by Giant's Slayer.)

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Right now NO. The tank already do too much damage and this need to be turn down

Then who the fuck tune assassins and auto attackers down？ I'm not a tank player, I main bruiser and Mage, and when I play bruiser I'm abused by not only tanks but also fuking ADCs. they deal way too much damage and there is no effective way to survive as anything other than a pure tank