I hate how AP shyv is the only viable build on her.

Oh but when I make a post about it taking over and being broken, entire community came down to downvote me and bury it.

Who would have thunk an uninteractive build that can shoot safe E's and kill people with 1 skill on Shyvana?

Just wait for her VGU. She is on the list as top priority, so maybe she can actually feel like a dragon for once.

I hate how much I like this current build on her thematically.

In a weird way, the whole change into a dragon to play hit-and-run tactics as you try to burn the enemy to death feels so much more like a dragon than barrelling through the enemy team while hoping you don't get kited.

I wonder if the idea couldn't be expanded upon in a proper rework that merges both playstyles.

The math wasnt wrong, but you are adding item procs to increase the number which is misleading and makes the presumption of the ability itself achieving these numbers solo when this isnt necessarily the case.

When you consider mr, the only people having issues are again, squishies. Building me goes a very long way to managing damage incoming, and consider shyvana literally walks at you, playung safely isnt an issue. If the issue is solely one that endangers squishies then it really isnt a concern. Squishies die tl everything in one hit. This has been the case for years, and you cannot balance damage so squishies can survive or tanks become too strong.

We can list numbers, but you need to demonstrate how it overcentralizes the game. Is it possible to reasonably counter shyvana when she is ap based? Does she dominate the game e tirely? Who does this affect negatively.

Let alone your 2k plus number is in the extreme late game. Evelyn can punch numbers that are just as high with q and e alone and that isnt considering how she has an easier means of getting to her target, her mr shred, and her ult.

Big numbers are big. How these big numbers are delivered is what matters more, which is why ap shyvana is okay, not amazing.

Graves and lee sin still would stomp her especially because of the jungle xp nerfs.

Reminds me of this video, back when the build was utter garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGK1j22EXQg

How the turn tables.

Idk, part of the dragon fantasy is breathing fire and burning people alive.

Idk about dragon myths where challengers get killed by the dragon rampaging around or hitting them. More often than not is by breathing on them.

So, I'd say ap shivana, is quite well tailored to the dragon fantasy. Even tho shes a wyren.

But, I'd like her e to be more like a rumble e, but shorter in duration and higher in damage. rather than a one shot as it's now. You know to make her breath flames/ice/dust/whatever her other skins have.

Normal Shyv is pefectly viable. AP Shyv is just waaay better in teamfights and many people just don't expect that damage.

This is completely false, AD shyv is not only viable but above average in forms of gameplay, a slight adjustment of the on hit build is all you need. As long as you are focusing objectives shyv can be a powerhouse. I tried AP when it started becoming a thing but personally I dislike it, it requires you to get distance and poke instead of diving in and peeling.

My favorite build is to rush recurve bow and boots then cc ward the drake and clear it fast. Go blood razor after that, get boots depending on the situation and build frozen mallet or a steraks. If they have full ad/ap rush a Spirit Vasage or Deadman's after jg item instead.

Technically AP shyvana has a higher winrate but that's mostly because of high elo players spamming it. Also most people who play against her aren't used to dealing with a super high damage E.

If you don't believe me check my op.gg

It's very rare, but I do see On-hit Shyvana from time to time if she's not going for the Full AP Burst build.

TBH its always been a decent gimmick build, but it taking over as the main build because they made her ability to dive so shit is pretty stupid.

Cut those AP ratios and give her back the defenses she used to have, seriously. She's an attack speed champion not a mage.

I mean the problem is that they tried to make her less able to just "Farm up and beat you up with a bag of gold" but that's literally all she does. She doesn't have any cc, range (except for her ult Q, which...wadaya know, is what her appointment build is centered around?), innate sustain, non-ultimate gap closers, or meaningful tank-steroids - her passive and the HP from her ult are next to meaningless.

She literally cannot get to the enemy team to even try to fight them unless she's ahead on gold/in levels, and even if she's super ahead all it takes is one knockback and maybe a slow after she ults to negate even a 10k gold Shyv. She's balanced around establishing a gold and XP lead, but then also that wasn't fair so now she can't establish a gold and XP lead. It's stupid.

I enjoyed playing Attack Speed/Tank Shyv for many months, even bought 2 skins. When I realized that you have to play her AP now I wanted to refund my skins.