No Hybrid Penetration item?

PopcornBunni·Jul 18, 2017·7 votes·536 views

I'm not sure why it took me so long to notice this, but there is no item that provides mixed damage penetration. Whether this is an intentional choice to make mixed-damage champions have to pick one side over the other, I still think it would be worth looking into. Perhaps one that provides a bit less on raw offensive stats to compensate attacking from two fronts.

One I conceptuallized is something that applies a sort of deathfire touch DoT effect on-hit

Blindbrandt Recipe: + +1200g (total 3150g)

+25 AD +45 AP Unique: +15 Lethality Unique: +15 Magic Penetration Unique: Hitting an enemy with a basic attack burns them for 6-40 (Based on level) (+24% Bonus AD +8% AP) magic damage initially and 2 (+12% Bonus AD +4% AP) magic damage every second for 3 seconds after

23 Comments

ParoeJul 18, 20176 votes

item 3136 (1400g) + item 3134 (1100g)+ 600g = Atmas pike Atmas pike 3100g

50AP +30AD Unique passive: +15 magic penetration Unique passive: + 15 lethality Unique passive: Atma's force: The first basic attack against an enemy deals 0+0.4bAD+0.2AP as damage of whichever scaling is higher.

tieger05Jul 18, 20175 votes

yeah, kog would abuse it like crazy

NodirjonSattarovJul 19, 20171 votes

shut up thats fucking bullshit

Denims Wrath666Jul 18, 20173 votes

i can see this being a good buff for Jax Ezreal Akali Blitzcrank Chogath Ekko Katarina Kennen Shaco Teemo Tryndamere ... but the real problem for this item is KogMaw

NodirjonSattarovJul 18, 20172 votes

oh shut up

KogMaw are you kidding me?? he hasn't been touched or looked at since patch 6.24 where they nerfed his E and 6.21 where they nerfed his R. as if kog'maw has been problematic since

Denims Wrath666Jul 19, 20171 votes

i still play him in jungle? hes still decent. this item would be nuts on him with rageblade.

NodirjonSattarovJul 19, 20171 votes

you've played 2 games in jg with him (well at least in ranked). you did moderately well in both however in both you had KP on the team and 3rd/4th in damage (kogmaw should be doing the most out of the entire team).

I get that this item could potentially be insane on him but everything isn't according to paper. sure rageblade+ mixed pen item would be good but the item is just a waste on him. kog'maw doesn't need pen since he has his Q and his % damage. the only thing you should be maximizing is your attack speed and how much % damage you'll be doing. in all honesty if you want to do more penetration just pick up void staff for your W %hp damage

Denims Wrath666Jul 19, 20173 votes

this isn't my only account, its a pocket pick that requires asking your team for decent cc champs before everyone picks for it to work. also im a farming scaler more than a ganker when i play him. hes a risky jungler, if the gank isn't free its not worth the risk. rageblade is the important part of this jungle though, so a hybrid item of pen could be complete cancer to actual tanks already. like i said, this could be a real problem on kog and i stand by it. it would make dragons and barons too easy to kill after 20 minutes too. 1 w is all it would take if you had more pen. considering bloodrazor is ad damage and im pretty sure its affected by pen as well, with the rageblade magic damage he could duo baron with the support with 4 items. blood razor, bork, rb, and this item. as a kog main though, im sure youll agree with me that we both miss machine gun kog :(

NodirjonSattarovJul 19, 20172 votes

as a kog main though, im sure youll agree with me that we both miss machine gun kog :(

i started crying when i read this bc i miss machine gun kog so much man - ive been on the boards for months (literally since revert) trying to get them to re-implement it with fine tuning but recently haven't bothered. i've been begging for any sort of change for the pupper but no one listens...

Denims Wrath666Jul 19, 20171 votes

it was honestly the best buff anyone could have. it wasn't even completely op either since you had to stand there like an afk to make the ability worth it. you were basically your teams turret, so no moving while you're w'd.

NodirjonSattarovJul 19, 20171 votes

well actually i re-bound my move and attack keys to Z and X and would auto target champs with shift and would alternate Z and X at a rhythm relative to how fast my AS was. this way i would be able to kite backwards or to the side at max AS. scripters did this too but with no muscle memory. m

Denims Wrath666Jul 19, 20171 votes

i dont play any champs with any hot keys. just straight up legit. im decent with kog as the adc jungle for the past few season with it, but i could never match someone whos actually using stuff like that. just an honest player here. the only time i saw machine gun kog good with it was done by a high korean streamer, and it was gross. it basically gives you an extra 30% attack speed by doing this shit.

NodirjonSattarovJul 19, 20171 votes

if you're talking about this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgG_mq-dFQ

the guy is known for scripting. i dont think i would ever be able to kite forward like he does. its just easier to kite backwards with "target champions only" hotkey on

Asayake 5150glowJul 19, 20172 votes

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i can see this being a good buff for ... but the real problem for this item is

Not even Cho/Ekko/Kata/Kennen/Trynd, those champions, even though they may have hybrid scalings, usually do mostly 1 type of damage (Ekko does basically all magic damage even though his E is an auto and he might auto a second time to proc passive faster, for example). So the pen wouldn't help at all.

Denims Wrath666Jul 19, 20171 votes

cho is actually alot of autos, ekko is as well after his combo, kata has strong ad ratios on ult, kennen is an autoer even if he's ap, and tryn is a slight over statement sure but the ratios on q and e on him are still worth having some ap on him. it would still affect the magic damage off his e with the pen wouldn't it?

Asayake 5150glowJul 19, 20171 votes

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cho is actually alot of autos, ekko is as well after his combo, kata has strong ad ratios on ult, kennen is an autoer even if he's ap, and tryn is a slight over statement sure but the ratios on q and e on him are still worth having some ap on him. it would still affect the magic damage off his e with the pen wouldn't it?

Cho does use autos, but only as a tank because otherwise he oneshot, and his AP ratios are too good to use such a low AP item. And as a tank , he doesn't wanna buy a glass cannon damage item. Ekko doesn't auto much because after his combo his target should already be dead. Kata has AD ratios yes, but it's all magic damage so the Lethality is wasted. It also scales better with a flat AP item. Trynds E is physical damage, so no it wouldn't.

WoonStruckJul 19, 20171 votes

Having an AD ratio on an AP ability doesn't factor in armor pen at all.

Having AP scaling on an AD ability doesn't factor in magic pen at all.

~~Half the champs you listed would get little-to-no use out of hybrid pen. ~~Scratch that, all of them outside of Jax, Teemo, and Kog would get no use out of hybrid pen.

khorneyJul 18, 20171 votes

i like that

VekknaJul 18, 20171 votes

That would require Riot putting mpen on an item. It's more likely that they'll just delete another mpen item than add a new one.

Asayake 5150glowJul 19, 20171 votes

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I'm not sure why it took me so long to notice this, but there is no item that provides mixed damage penetration. Whether this is an intentional choice to make mixed-damage champions have to pick one side over the other, I still think it would be worth looking into. Perhaps one that provides a bit less on raw offensive stats to compensate attacking from two fronts.

One I conceptuallized is something that applies a sort of deathfire touch DoT effect on-hit

Blindbrandt Recipe: + +1200g (total 3150g)

+25 AD +45 AP Unique: +15 Lethality Unique: +15 Magic Penetration Unique: Hitting an enemy with a basic attack burns them for 6-40 (Based on level) (+24% Bonus AD +8% AP) magic damage initially and 2 (+12% Bonus AD +4% AP) magic damage every second for 3 seconds after

Too niche, Riot doesn't like making niche items. There aren't that many hybrid champions, and most of them prefer to focus their itemization. Many hybrid champions end up doing mostly physical or magic damage anyway (Jax, Akali, Ezreal). The other hybrids do not use the term to refer to stats or build, it's more about doing both magic and physical damage (Shyvana, Kennen(?), Kog, Shaco), and often those champions are not champions who would really appreciate a measly 15 penetration. The only users would likely be Kennen and Shaco.

For hybrid pen it would be best as a %pen item, like 30% armor pen and 30% magic pen, 40 AP 30 AD.