Viktor buffs btw.

Snowman Arc··3 votes·1,609 views

And all I can say is "lol". These buffs are similar to the Zoe 0.25 nerf. They do nothing.

Q gets 10 damage per rank, starting off at the same damage and getting +40 at rank 5. R AP ratio in discharge is increased by an additional 10%. Is this a fucking joke? So, up until level 5, there is essentially NO CHANGE at all, considering nobody maxes Q. At level 6, the only difference will be like what? 5 bonus damage? You can't have more than 50 AP at level 6, which means that you only get a maximum of 5 bonus damage OUT OF HIS R, which is ridiculous. Level 7 is the same. The only real change comes at level 8, where you get 10 bonus damage on Q! 10 damage! You would have to land 6 Q's to get an AA's worth of damage. Level 9 is the same. Level 10, Q gets 20 more damage than before. 3 Qs = 1 AA. Level 11, you probably already have 150 AP by then (Viktor item, boots, into probably Lich bane components or Rylai's components), so R will deal 15 more damage! LOL Level 12 and 13, Q gets 30 and 40 more damage respectively. I can see how at those levels, this can make a difference, considering the CDR gets reduced quite a lot, with both scaling and items, but it's already level 13! That kind of bonus damage DOESN'T matter. It's irrelevant. At that point, the game is probably already decided; Viktor is either fed, so he already has incredible damage, so this buff is irrelevant, OR he isn't fed, he is actually behind, and that extra 40 damage is again irrelevant. Like what? He's gonna get 5 Qs maximum during a mid game fight? (That's like 25 seconds worth of teamfighting, casting Q off cooldown with 40% CDR). At best, I'll assume he does cast 5 Qs, so he gets 200 more damage overall over AN ENTIRE TEAMFIGHT UNDER THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES. Then, at like full build, level 18 etc, he usually has about 800 AP. That will grant him an extra 80 damage on his R. Again, nothing.

How about we focus on buffing him where he's strong, huh? How about reducing his E cooldown by 1 second, like it was proposed a couple of months ago? Viktor is a wave clear machine with good poking to start off. Why can't we buff those aspects of his kit?

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Cryotron2 votes

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And all I can say is "lol". These buffs are similar to the Zoe 0.25 nerf. They do nothing.

Q gets 10 damage per rank, starting off at the same damage and getting +40 at rank 5. R AP ratio in discharge is increased by an additional 10%. Is this a fucking joke? So, up until level 5, there is essentially NO CHANGE at all, considering nobody maxes Q. At level 6, the only difference will be like what? 5 bonus damage? You can't have more than 50 AP at level 6, which means that you only get a maximum of 5 bonus damage OUT OF HIS R, which is ridiculous. Level 7 is the same. The only real change comes at level 8, where you get 10 bonus damage on Q! 10 damage! You would have to land 6 Q's to get an AA's worth of damage. Level 9 is the same. Level 10, Q gets 20 more damage than before. 3 Qs = 1 AA. Level 11, you probably already have 150 AP by then (Viktor item, boots, into probably Lich bane components or Rylai's components), so R will deal 15 more damage! LOL Level 12 and 13, Q gets 30 and 40 more damage respectively. I can see how at those levels, this can make a difference, considering the CDR gets reduced quite a lot, with both scaling and items, but it's already level 13! That kind of bonus damage DOESN'T matter. It's irrelevant. At that point, the game is probably already decided; Viktor is either fed, so he already has incredible damage, so this buff is irrelevant, OR he isn't fed, he is actually behind, and that extra 40 damage is again irrelevant. Like what? He's gonna get 5 Qs maximum during a mid game fight? (That's like 25 seconds worth of teamfighting, casting Q off cooldown with 40% CDR). At best, I'll assume he does cast 5 Qs, so he gets 200 more damage overall over AN ENTIRE TEAMFIGHT UNDER THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES. Then, at like full build, level 18 etc, he usually has about 800 AP. That will grant him an extra 80 damage on his R. Again, nothing.

How about we focus on buffing him where he's strong, huh? How about reducing his E cooldown by 1 second, like it was proposed a couple of months ago? Viktor is a wave clear machine with good poking to start off. Why can't we buff those aspects of his kit?

It's still a buff.

I don't know why you are complaining. [sg-lulu]

Snowman Arc2 votes

Because it's probably the only buff he will get for a LONG TIME, which means he will remain in a shit state of 47% win rate.

PowerSlam6661 votes

Maths done correctly. Current PBE "buffs" are total useless sh*t. It is Fake like "buffs" in January. Looks like Riot just throwes a bone to viktormain criers. Sad stuff.

Snowman Arc2 votes

Placebo buffs. Riot wants to slowly give some power to Viktor, so that players will pick him up again and see what his win rate will change to. I only believe it will be a 0.5% maximum increase, at best.

Sasogwa1 votes

It's still a pretty substantial buff... having +10-40 base damage on an ability and +.1 AP ratio on R is decent.

What do you want? A full autoattack bonus damage on each of his trades? Do you realize how broken that would be?

Small changes like +3 AD or some stuff can change the winrate by several %. It's far from negligible. Small CD changes like Zoe +.25s CD don't really change the trade damage, so it's kinda negligible, but straight damage on abilities is fine.

Snowman Arc2 votes

If you read my entire post, you would understand that this buff does NOTHING. It only takes effect for the first time at level 6, which is useless, and only becomes barely noticeable at level 13.

Want to compare buffs? Check Lux's buffs from a couple of patches ago. She got her ult's cooldown increased by A LOT over 2-3 patches, and she got huge buffs to all her other abilities. Her Q, that stays at level 1 until level 8, got a 20 damage buff (which is huge early) and had its CD reduced by 3 seconds, and its mana cost is also down. Her E CD decreases with ranks and costs less mana, her W shield is now on cast and stronger to her and allies. Those are ACTUAL BUFFS.

Lux at level 1 was slightly nerfed, even though her E range nerf wasn't as impactful at level 1. Her level 2 was massively buffed, +20 damage on Q, -3 seconds on its CD and -10 mana cost. The change to her Q and W was so good, that people actually max W instead of Q now.

Viktor didn't get any of this. The 0.1 AP ratio on his already 2.3 AP ultimate does NOTHING.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

i like how viktor can oneshot me with Q+R, and op complains about viktor receiving "only" 40 damage on Q and 10% more ap on ult

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