It's time to gut ahri

TeemoXNidalee·Jan 5, 2016·7 votes·463 views

An assassin with a 2 seconds stun, free sustain and massive AOE burst and mobility shouldn't be allowed in the game. There's nothing you can do against ahri when she decides to kill you, just hope you have enough stats to survive.

~"it's all skills shots duhh"

Doesn't matter when she has 3 dashs and a massive speed steroid to land them at point blank range. If she screws up and fails to kill you she will just dash back and run away with 33314313212 movespeed and unless you're an hypermobile champion like her you can't catch up.

23 Comments

CatastropJan 5, 201610 votes

I wasn't aware using spells(using mana) to gets stacks then casting another(using mana again) to heal was considered "free sustain."

Pika310Jan 5, 20169 votes

Ahri already got gutted in season 5. She received three nerfs to her damage, two nerfs to her spell-ranges and even already had her sustain nerfed once as well. She's firmly sitting in the weaker half of mid-lane champs.

TeemoXNidaleeJan 5, 20162 votes

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Ahri already got gutted in season 5. She received three nerfs to her damage, two nerfs to her spell-ranges and even already had her sustain nerfed once as well. She's firmly sitting in the weaker half of mid-lane champs.

She's anything but weak: http://champion.gg/champion/Ahri only total cancer like lux and gayplank are more OP

The nerfs were significant but she was mega OP more than old Kassadin, so she got nerfed from ULTRA broken to broken.

Pika310Jan 5, 201610 votes

{quoted} more than old Kassadin

For your own sake, please stop... Your bronze is showing.

Void NargacugaJan 6, 20164 votes

Worst part is this: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=TeemoXNidalee

CrossetteJan 10, 20161 votes

You're the "gold" player that thinks Sona is weak and skillful.

Pika310Jan 10, 20164 votes

Fearless, the employee who had full-reign over the Sona gutting, is also ranked gold. Also, he is a jungle main and admitted to having zero experience playing with, as or against her before assigning that project to himself. As someone who mained Sona, support as a whole and mains ADC now, my qualifications are exponentially greater than his.

CrossetteJan 10, 20161 votes

Then go get hired by the live balance team and fix it? If you have the qualifications over an ACTUAL RIOTER, go get a job and fix what you want to fix. Make your champion freelo again, because Sona's kit isn't going to hit balance through numbers.

PROJECT FizzJan 5, 20162 votes

Call him gayplank. That's offensive to gays!

Void NargacugaJan 5, 20164 votes

Don't feed the troll. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/TeemoXNidalee?content_type=discussion Seriously I thought this summoner was gone for awhile. Guess I was wrong.

TeemoXNidaleeJan 5, 20162 votes

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Don't feed the troll. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/TeemoXNidalee?content_type=discussion Seriously I thought this summoner was gone for awhile. Guess I was wrong.

This is not trolling, Ahri is unfair BS that should be nerfed.

DrNovaJan 5, 20166 votes

Oh look, its one of those "I just lost to a champ-they are the problem not me" threads.

Ahri is fine and you missed the QQ train months ago.

RogueWillJan 10, 20161 votes

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Oh look, its one of those "I just lost to a champ-they are the problem not me" threads.

Ahri is fine and you missed the QQ train months ago.

Being objective Ahri has really low weakness that she can easily cover

ValyrianBladeJan 10, 20161 votes

Being objective, Ahri lost all of her potential assassination power in her rework. She cannot 100-0 any champion unless she is extremely ahead, yet she can still be 100-0'd by most assassin mid laners even if she's built some defenses.

She gained a lot of mobility and become really safe, but lost a lot of her playmaking abilities. Succeeding in the R-E combo on an enemy you've poked down to 70% only for them to survive anyways and proceed to 100-0 you doesn't make Ahri feel OP in the slightest.

Not to mention her Q is her lane poke so it's easy to bait that cooldown out before a gank. Her R requires level 6 (like anyone else) and has a fairly large cooldown at rank 1 of nearly 2 minutes, meaning ganking her is quite easy. As mentioned before, she's incredible squishy, so any CC during a gank will almost definitely kill her.

Her CC is quite likely the LEAST powerful true CC ability in the game. At rank 1 (which it is often left at until level 14, and definitely through 7 so for all of laning phase) it only persists for 1 second, yet it's blocked by minions, has a small radius, less than 1000 range, and only 1600 missile speed.

In contrast, take Morgana's Q: Lasts for 2 seconds (scaling upwards), alsoo blocked by minions, has a larger radius, has more than 200 more range, and is a bit slower. Similarly difficult to land yet twice as rewarding when it does.

In contrast, take Yasuo's Q: Admittedly the wiki doesn't list the speed or duration, but it feels faster than Ahri's E. The knockup lasts roughly as long, but the CC is greatly extended by his ultimate's follow up. It's considerably easier to hit since it passes through minions, although the radius feels similar.

Basically, while she has lots of personal utility in escaping, she doesn't have the damage to kill squishies and doesn't have the team-utility that other mages offer. She doesn't have the AOE damage to the same extent as champions like Viktor or Anivia or Brand do.

Ahri is a jack-of-all-trades yet a master of none. Her only real strength is personal safety, but that does her team little good.

RogueWillJan 10, 20161 votes

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Being objective, Ahri lost all of her potential assassination power in her rework. She cannot 100-0 any champion unless she is extremely ahead, yet she can still be 100-0'd by most assassin mid laners even if she's built some defenses.

She gained a lot of mobility and become really safe, but lost a lot of her playmaking abilities. Succeeding in the R-E combo on an enemy you've poked down to 70% only for them to survive anyways and proceed to 100-0 you doesn't make Ahri feel OP in the slightest.

Not to mention her Q is her lane poke so it's easy to bait that cooldown out before a gank. Her R requires level 6 (like anyone else) and has a fairly large cooldown at rank 1 of nearly 2 minutes, meaning ganking her is quite easy. As mentioned before, she's incredible squishy, so any CC during a gank will almost definitely kill her.

Her CC is quite likely the LEAST powerful true CC ability in the game. At rank 1 (which it is often left at until level 14, and definitely through 7 so for all of laning phase) it only persists for 1 second, yet it's blocked by minions, has a small radius, less than 1000 range, and only 1600 missile speed.

In contrast, take Morgana's Q: Lasts for 2 seconds (scaling upwards), alsoo blocked by minions, has a larger radius, has more than 200 more range, and is a bit slower. Similarly difficult to land yet twice as rewarding when it does.

In contrast, take Yasuo's Q: Admittedly the wiki doesn't list the speed or duration, but it feels faster than Ahri's E. The knockup lasts roughly as long, but the CC is greatly extended by his ultimate's follow up. It's considerably easier to hit since it passes through minions, although the radius feels similar.

Basically, while she has lots of personal utility in escaping, she doesn't have the damage to kill squishies and doesn't have the team-utility that other mages offer. She doesn't have the AOE damage to the same extent as champions like Viktor or Anivia or Brand do.

Ahri is a jack-of-all-trades yet a master of none. Her only real strength is personal safety, but that does her team little good.

Well... First my comment didn't said she was op. It said that she had few weakness and as you said it does, she has few strengths as well. Second, She was reworked to stop being an assasin so keep comparing her with assasins is rather shallow, she became a poke, kiting mage and comparisons should be done with other poke, kitting mages not assasins.

SniperkajJan 5, 20163 votes

Ahri is in a fair spot at the moment. However, i dont understand why people call Zed "protected" by Rito, and he "immideatly gets buffs when weak", when he was at 45 % winrate for nine months, and almost never picked in pro play from Mid Season Invitational until now (he will 99 % sure be picked next season). Its actually Ahri that is very protected and a pet champ from Rito. Before DFG was removed, she was one of the strongest midlaners, and when DFG was removed she IN THE SAME PATCH recieved a HUGE buff, that made her the best champion in the game (57.5 % winrate). She was of course a little nerfed, but was still god-tier midlaner for the entirety of Season 5, and only fell a bit in pre-season.... She is a quite fair champion, with not too BS damage, but i wouldnt be suprised if there is an Ahri-Main in the balance team ;)

Pika310Jan 5, 20167 votes

They reduced Ahri's damage TWICE in the patch DFG was removed, I'd hardly call that a "buff."

Sure, there may have been an employee sometime in early season 4 that liked Ahri, but patch 5.1 has made it apparent she's now on Rito's 'Hated Champions' list.

blfUvZ8YbuJan 5, 20163 votes

Ahri mains here.Excuse me Ahri is broken.Ahri free elo and you are happy this situation.As Lux mains.

CreationFlawJan 5, 20162 votes

I mean, I'm not saying she's broken, but people saying she's weak when she has a considerable playrate with 53-54% winrate is plain wrong.

AnonymousPoroJan 5, 20161 votes

An assassin with a 2 seconds stun, free sustain and massive AOE burst and mobility shouldn't be allowed in the game. There's nothing you can do against ahri when she decides to kill you, just hope you have enough stats to survive.

Okay... Ahri's charm is for two seconds at it's highest level. If you had ever played Ahri, you'd know that the charm is narrow and easily dodge able if you don't aim correctly. The CD is 12 seconds and does not lower without CD reduction items/runes. The supposed AoE you're talking about is her W and her ult. Her W does 140 damage at it's highest level and her ult is used as an engage. She's in good standing where she is currently. Her sustain isn't free. She has to use at least 9 spells before she can heal(which, might I add, only substantially heals if it hits multiple targets early on).

Pika310Jan 6, 20162 votes

She has to use at least 9 spells before she can heal(which, might I add, only substantially heals if it hits multiple targets early on).

Just a quick correction: She requires 9 stacks for her passive to trigger, but she can gain a max of 3 stacks per spell. Which while in-lane she almost always will get those 3 stacks with any spell other than Charm. So to summarize, that's 3 spells to trigger her passive which will apply on the next spell. A total of 4 spells, not 9 or 10.

AnonymousPoroJan 10, 20161 votes

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Just a quick correction: She requires 9 stacks for her passive to trigger, but she can gain a max of 3 stacks per spell. Which while in-lane she almost always will get those 3 stacks with any spell other than Charm. So to summarize, that's 3 spells to trigger her passive which will apply on the next spell. A total of 4 spells, not 9 or 10.

True.

SnugglePuggle94Jan 10, 20161 votes

Pfffttt you think Ahri needs gutting? There are a whole lot of other champions that need nerfs or something changed. Ahri is actually in a fine state right now.

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