Out of 25 urf games so far.

dominusx··18 votes·1,398 views

5 tryndamere 7 ekko 1 zed 1 shaco 1 Gp 5 Nasus 3 rengar 2 karma THANK you for making it * random * i still havent played any of the champs i would like to play. And i've seen 10 sona 15 wukongs and 7 evelyns so far champs that would never make it past champ select cause they cant be dealt with

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dunkeroni14 votes

WARNING: MATHEMATICAL LOGIC INCOMING. IF THE OP CANNOT HANDLE LOGIC, PLEASE TELL HIM TO AVERT HIS GAZE

ASSUMPTIONS:

  1. There are 132 champions thus far released.
  2. Assume pessimistically that every champion is available to every player.
  3. Assume on average 5 re-rolls per team per game
  4. Assume if any of the players recieves one of your listed OP champs, they will keep it
  5. Each team then has options to pick among ~10 champions
  6. Thus there are ~20 champions to select from in each game, not rerolling the strongest.

THEREFORE: The odds of a champion who is perceived to be 'over-powered' existing in any ARURF game, is 20/132. The expected number of said champions showing up in 25 games is 25x20/132 = 5.682. Keep in mind that not all champions are owned by most accounts, so you would expect to see AT MINIMUM 5.682 of any champion that is preferred by the player base across 25 games.

As per your own statistics: 5 tryndamere + 7 ekko + 1 zed + 1 shaco + 1 Gp + 5 Nasus + 3 rengar + 2 karma + 10 sona + 15 wukongs + 7 evelyns = 57 occurrences across 11 op champions, resulting in an average of only 5.18 occurrences of each champion in the 25 games.

By this analysis, I hope you can see that you are in fact lucky that across the 250 champions in your 25 games that you have only seen this many of these powerful champions. In reality, you should find them much more commonly, even if every player owned every champion. Considering that many of the champions you listed are owned on almost every account past lv 30, the disproportionate weight of these champions should have made Tryndamere show up approximately 10-15 times already.

Your argument is invalid. Q.E.D.

Note for anyone scrutinizing the mathematics: The 20/132 ratio is for simplicity's sake. The odds should in reality be increased in the event of duplicate opponents, and decreased to remove the chance of non-duplicate possibilities on the same team. Due to the number of general assumptions already made, these two deviations can nearly cancel each other out and are ignore by comparison.

dominusx3 votes

LUL you going ham there mate. i respect that.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Might i ask did you factor in rerolls

dunkeroni1 votes

Might i ask did you read anything i wrote

LordGeovanni1 votes

i skimmed it

hhaavviikk2 votes

won a game vs a team who had sona, ezreal, talon evelyn and aurelion sol, they totally can be won against, also tryndamere is bullshit as well, just play him AP.

dominusx4 votes

not everybody has 10 iq to lose with that comp.

hhaavviikk5 votes

or the skills to win against it

dominusx2 votes

touche. but i'll continue to afk if the enemy gets eve ;'>

hhaavviikk4 votes

haha won't blame you for it

jusho12 votes

How can you stomach 25 games of this shit

dominusx2 votes

need a way to farm ip without having to worry about playing good. Champs too fucking expencive .

LordGeovanni2 votes

Urf is the only time when you can garentee people who arent committed to playing ranked are lessened in the ranked que

doiminat0r36001 votes

those numbers don't even add up to 250. If you're going to complain about it, complain if youve had ONLY those champions. Just because you had one of them doesnt make it worse than having all at the same time

dunkeroni1 votes

You can in fact analyze the champions listed as a random sample of the total 250 champions. I've posted above a proof that the OP should actually be seeing more of these champions than he has been.

doiminat0r36001 votes

Well, OP was also implying that he ONLY saw those champions. Didn't account for all of the other champions in the champion pool.

FeelsBadManX1 votes

Meh thats nothing, playing against Nida & Jayce lane or Thresh & Blitz lane is the definition of fun :)

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Try laning against Karma TwistedFate

DarkRitual1 votes

Blitz, Annie, and Ryze in half of my games too. Not a single Twitch (even during my team's rerolls). One Morgana, no Lux. It certainly doesn't FEEL random over a number of games.

Νichirin2 votes

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Blitz, Annie, and Ryze in half of my games too. Not a single Twitch (even during my team's rerolls). One Morgana, no Lux. It certainly doesn't FEEL random over a number of games.

Trust me you don't wanna play against Lux...it's just painful.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

So far I don't want to play against anyone, I always end up in lane without mini-clearing poke, against someone like Fidd or Mundo who can power-spam.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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5 tryndamere 7 ekko 1 zed 1 shaco 1 Gp 5 Nasus 3 rengar 2 karma THANK you for making it * random * i still havent played any of the champs i would like to play. And i've seen 10 sona 15 wukongs and 7 evelyns so far champs that would never make it past champ select cause they cant be dealt with

this mode is rigged

Spaceman5pff2 votes

If you look above, you will see that based on his numbers, he got lucky and saw less than the expected amount of those champions.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

which doesn't make this mode any less rigged.

Spaceman5pff2 votes

What is rigged about it, then? This crybaby just accidentally proved that the "randomness" feature is working.

You now leave me confused.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

They fix the matches, this isn't random. But I believe the rigging has more to do with what both teams have access to.

If you get a viegar I can pretty much guarantee you that if they don't roll they will have a strong counter

Spaceman5pff1 votes

I still don't understand how that makes it rigged.. because champions can be countered?

What does Viegar in particular have to do with this? By "roll" do you mean reroll or steamroll? If you don't think somebody is sitting there fixing matches, how is it rigged? Or do you actually think someone is sitting there fixing the matches?

I can't make any sense of your comment...

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Its not just that champions can be countered.

I believe that if you were to get viegar for example, specific champions are more likely to appear on the other team based on their success rate against viegar. That's more than coincidential counterplay, in fact its technically not counterplay at all. Its just flat out game rigging. Rigged for fun perhaps but the road to hell is paved with good intent

LordGeovanni1 votes

veigar has counters in urf there is a counter to infinitely stacking if you kill something or hit an enemy with a spell that that cannot be dashed through. ive played veigar 4/8 times and only time he got beat is when i happend to play 1 champion that is morderately weak against everyone else

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

not even sure what you just said here but viegar gets rek'd by artillery

Pandemic Punch1 votes

2 Ryze 1 Jax 1 Kog'maw 1 Poppy 1 Morekaiser 1 Morgana 1 Nautilus 1 Udyr 1 Ezreal 1 Ashe 1 Janna 1 Blitzcrank 1 Akali

It is pretty random.

LordGeovanni1 votes

4/10 veigar on enemy team only and counting

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