Matchmaking is so much better in Diamond, here's why

awdaf·Jul 18, 2016·97 votes·3,925 views

Because you did the right thing and limited pre mades to a max of only 3, do that for the rest of the divisions please :)

73 Comments

venomous frostJul 18, 201620 votes

and then you realise you get autofilled in diamond LUL

VerxintJul 18, 20167 votes

You mean sometimes you have to play a suboptimal role and focus on enabling your teammates to win instead of trying to get fed and carry?

Man, I just can't see any way that experience would help people be better players and reduce the amount of TDM going on in ranked.

venomous frostJul 18, 20164 votes

no it means you will lose lane because they play it every game and destroy you

ExtrasolarJul 18, 20162 votes

Wait, isn't autofill there because you're supposed to be well-rounded in higher skill levels? I mean, you don't have to be godly at everything, but I think they want you to be at least decent at everything.

venomous frostJul 18, 20162 votes

no it's there because diamond queue times were getting ridiculous (30+ minutes) so they implemented autofill to shorten queue times

RogueWillJul 18, 20161 votes

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Wait, isn't autofill there because you're supposed to be well-rounded in higher skill levels? I mean, you don't have to be godly at everything, but I think they want you to be at least decent at everything.

decent on a role vs godly in said role... tell me which will win.

At least in lower elos the difference between being godly and just decent at a lane is not so abysmal.

ExtrasolarJul 18, 20163 votes

decent on a role vs godly in said role... tell me which will win.

Either will win. If you're godly on a role, you're more likely to carry, self-explanatory.

If you're at least decent on a role, that doesn't mean you can't win - you don't need to win lane to win the game. You don't need to carry every game to win, so long as you cooperate with your team, and try to avoid as many mistakes as you can. So long as you're decent enough that you aren't killed multiple times by your enemy laner and thus very far behind on experience/gold and items, you'll at least be able to contribute to helping your team win with roams/lane pressure/warding, etc.

At least in lower elos the difference between being godly and just decent at a lane is not so abysmal.

From what I've seen, stomps are a lot more common in lower elo, where people make more mistakes, and don't know how to properly come back from them. Of course, I'm low elo myself, with no first-time experience in high elo. I'm just speaking from what I've seen high-elo friends say, or from the high-elo games I've spectated/watched online.

devdev463Jul 19, 20161 votes

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Wait, isn't autofill there because you're supposed to be well-rounded in higher skill levels? I mean, you don't have to be godly at everything, but I think they want you to be at least decent at everything.

That might have been true of you didn't climb to diamond using only 2 roles... The new champ select removes any need to be 'all around decent' because you get the role you want every time. Then you hit diamond and get a support game and it's been like 4 years since you last supported.

ElikainJul 18, 20168 votes

And then you realize that you also had only autofill in SQ. I guess SQ isn't such a perfect system after all.

venomous frostJul 18, 201630 votes

the old champion select had autofill, champion select and DQ are 2 different thigns.

DQ is the ability to queue up with more than 1 person, not the ability to chose a role.

You can have soloQ and the new champion select at the same times, they are unrelated.

AramsAreBestJul 18, 20162 votes

Riot claims champion select is part of dq though.

Dextix LTJul 19, 20166 votes

Riot claims many things, doesnt mean they are true.

ElikainJul 19, 20163 votes

The community claims many thing as well and this doesn't mean they're true either.

Tychusfindlay919Jul 19, 20161 votes

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The community claims many thing as well and this doesn't mean they're true either.

The customer is always right.

Economics 101

ElikainJul 18, 20164 votes

Yes, DQ and NCS are two different things but both go hand in hand. The point i was making is that in SQ your role depended heavily on the position in the team you were randomly given, top being able to pick what they want and bottom playing what was left available - which is more or less what autofill is about and it only kicks in after certain period of time passes and the game for you is not found.

On the side note, NCS is the problem when it comes increased Q times. Autofill is there to prevent these times from being too long.

Troll for TrumpJul 19, 201612 votes

Yes, DQ and NCS are two different things but both go hand in hand.

DQ can't exist without NCS, or can't be really effective, but NCS can do fine without DQ.

DQ vs SoloQ is the annoyance of queueing up/playing with premades or going against them; The ways roles are assigned were never solidified or reported before. It was unorganized; Riot never advocated pick order, it was just a community thing. The new champ select makes it so pick order is no longer a thing, and you just queue up for roles. You could integrate in Solo Q and you wouldn't have pick order.

DQ and the new champ select are separate, as are SQ and old champ select

Ashe JungleJul 19, 20162 votes

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DQ can't exist without NCS, or can't be really effective, but NCS can do fine without DQ.

DQ vs SoloQ is the annoyance of queueing up/playing with premades or going against them; The ways roles are assigned were never solidified or reported before. It was unorganized; Riot never advocated pick order, it was just a community thing. The new champ select makes it so pick order is no longer a thing, and you just queue up for roles. You could integrate in Solo Q and you wouldn't have pick order.

DQ and the new champ select are separate, as are SQ and old champ select

Pretty sure Riot did advocate pick order over call order, even in blind. Call order in blind is a community thing. On mobile but I'll try to find the link (on the old forums) when I'm on my laptop, if you want.

ElikainJul 19, 20163 votes

DQ and SQ are the exact same matchmaking system except that the difference is between how many people can premade together. Both queues suck if they don't have NCS, which means that NCS is a feature that enhances experience in both queues.

Both queues can exist without it but NCS can't exist without a queue. DQ is something Riot intends to keep and NCS is a part of it now.

It Hertz When IPJul 19, 20161 votes

This. Team Builder didn't have Dynamic Queue, yet the servers mysteriously failed to self-ignite and tear a hole in the fabric of space and time when I queued for it.

RoMzJul 19, 20161 votes

I actually havent been auto filled once yet since there are a lot of supp players here. Then I suppose I'm only low diamond so maybe D2+ would get auto filled.

YoungFarmerJul 18, 201612 votes

or we could do the next best thing and limit it back to two :D

CppLJul 19, 20167 votes

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or we could do the next best thing and limit it back to two :D

Or ,after almost 6 years we could have pure soloQ.

Supreme Senpai69Jul 19, 20165 votes

Honestly fine with duos, it's just anything higher than that and they become too influential on the entire game. Its toxicity, when to surrender, which lanes get ganked, etc. I feel like three is when things start to become miserable but two is still fine

EnloctJul 18, 20167 votes

Matchmaking gets worse the higher you go. I got to play against a Challenger 508 lp with a Diamond 5 0 lp this week. It's like a Diamond against Silvers.

SpoofghoulJul 18, 20167 votes

wait that like 70% of my games already

the other 29% are stomps too btw because of league of snowball

thats 99% stomp games

1% fun games really starting to wonder when this game is going to die right about now

ZarvanisJul 19, 20163 votes

League will never die because the casual players who don't really care all that much about ranked make up most of the playerbase. They're the reason 'the majority of players like Dynamic Queue'.

The people who actually care about the game and their ranks are the ones suffering. Even if the pro-scene goes the way of StarCraft II, the game will still be here. Just without most of the people who actually have passion for it.

Which is pretty depressing when you consider the time and money people have put into a game they care so much about.

SpoofghoulJul 19, 20161 votes

You didn't read what i said or didn't understand it. Thats ok

I wasn't talking about ranked or solo vs dynaq

I was merely pointing out how currently 99% of games are shitfests and stomps which makes them unfun this goes for both rankeds and normals

I can have fun when im losing as long as its an even game where we both did our best to win and it was a close victory

I was talking mostly about fun here which imho is the most important aspect of a game and since it's not there i was wondering when the game will die out. Let's be real here even casuals who don't care still like to have fun right? So if the game aint fun why would they care to play?

ZarvanisJul 19, 20162 votes

Yes I did read it, and yes I did understand it. I was replying to the last sentence.

really starting to wonder when this game is going to die right about now

Why I dedicated such a long reply to something that wasn't even the focus of the comment?... hell if I know.

BreakYourShellJul 19, 20161 votes

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wait that like 70% of my games already

the other 29% are stomps too btw because of league of snowball

thats 99% stomp games

1% fun games really starting to wonder when this game is going to die right about now

Thats why I stopped playing league its a game that you have play when your in a good mood to get into a bad mood then do that again along with trying to win instead of having fun and the headaches and stress in league are the worst

Koala FrenzyJul 18, 20165 votes

I'm getting matched with high silver/low gold games (all 9 other players) somehow as a plat 5 with high mmr. Matchmaking is busted.

Slamurai JackJul 18, 20164 votes

Bitch please, matchmaking sucks ass in Diamond. You'd swear there was a boosted player in literally every single game you play up here. And don't get me started on when I have to randomly play against Challenger players.

ElikainJul 18, 20162 votes

That's not true from my experience. As a DIamond 4 player, the best i've gone against and with were Master players in S5, and Diamond in S6. And my range is D 3 or 2 at max, worst D4 and D5.

So it's pretty stable.

6KEMBE4ORBAJul 19, 20162 votes

Since you're using that "As a Diamond player" a lot recently on the Boards --->

Post on your diamond account.

ElikainJul 19, 20161 votes

Nah. I started posting from this account (when it was my main) and i don't really care enough to change. You'll have to be satisfied with a link to my Diamond 4 account

Mojihito666Jul 20, 20161 votes

Stop lying.

ElikainJul 20, 20161 votes

If i was lying, i could have said i was Challenger. No reason for me to be satisfied with D4 in this case.

Mojihito666Jul 20, 20161 votes

Just stop it.

ElikainJul 20, 20161 votes

I have no obligation to you or anyone else when it comes to confirming anything about my account. I'll continue playing on it and you can sit here, doubting whether that's me or not.

Whether you believe that's me or not is not my problem.

Mojihito666Jul 20, 20161 votes

I have no obligation to you or anyone else when it comes to confirming anything about my account.

Then dont be surprised when no one gives a shit about your posts.

ElikainJul 20, 20161 votes

Why are you replying if you don't care?

Mojihito666Jul 21, 20161 votes

Cause i hate liars.

RamenLJul 18, 20162 votes

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Bitch please, matchmaking sucks ass in Diamond. You'd swear there was a boosted player in literally every single game you play up here. And don't get me started on when I have to randomly play against Challenger players.

^^ sick of diamond, won 9 in a row, then lost 6 in a row, the 9 in a row I carried newbs, the 6 in a row the newbs got worse.

Lord AzırJul 19, 20164 votes

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Because you did the right thing and limited pre mades to a max of only 3, do that for the rest of the divisions please :)

You're literally plat V, how the hell do you know how much better it is? It literally feels the exact same to me.

Hello I am BirdJul 19, 20161 votes

Mfw this guy speaks the truth and gets downvoted for it.

Dextix LTJul 19, 20164 votes

Or better yet, limit it to two, like in the olden days.

BlanchimontJul 19, 20164 votes

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Or better yet, limit it to two, like in the olden days.

Naw, let's have a true Solo Queue and limit it to one. Duos were already a problem in Solo Queue.

LankPantsJul 19, 20164 votes

Why stop at 3 when you could limit to 1?

LA LostyJul 19, 20162 votes

Also there are more restrictions when it comes to premade, they can only be 3 divisions apart, unlike the other leagues where people can duo whilst almost being 2 entire teirs away from eachother.