More ADC nerfs really?

fuffychan·Apr 12, 2017·3 votes·965 views

Lets make thornmail accessible for 1k gold so everyone and their mother can buy it immediately. On top of making GA an attractive rush item as well.

14 Comments

KilanostApr 12, 20173 votes

You need to use your brain.

GA was made more attractive earlier for every class except AP and tanks. This includes ADCs who fall behind or are worrying about assassins.

Those thornmail changes suck and when you upgrade it you lose the thornmail passive which was the ONLY counterplay available to tanks for lifesteal.

Tanks are getting slaughtered across the board on PBE right now. They just gave most AD items more AD. They increased the lord dom's dragonslayer passive.

Who is getting nerfed in this update exactly? Answer: Not ADCs.

RexSaurApr 12, 20171 votes

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You need to use your brain.

GA was made more attractive earlier for every class except AP and tanks. This includes ADCs who fall behind or are worrying about assassins.

Those thornmail changes suck and when you upgrade it you lose the thornmail passive which was the ONLY counterplay available to tanks for lifesteal.

Tanks are getting slaughtered across the board on PBE right now. They just gave most AD items more AD. They increased the lord dom's dragonslayer passive.

Who is getting nerfed in this update exactly? Answer: Not ADCs.

Tanks are supposed to be countered by lifesteal and adcs you dofus.

No tanks are NOT supposed to be invincible to every class in the game by building cheap items.

KilanostApr 12, 20172 votes

Again, you are not thinking correctly.

Tanks are only supposed to be countered by ADCs in the context of a team fight. The fact that an adc can build lifesteal and solo kill a tank in a few seconds is not what was intended. Tanks are walking bloodbags for lifesteal champions.

The idea is not invinciblity, it is achieving the objective of the role which is engage, survive, and disrupt. You can't disrupt an adc who can just sit there and face tank you because of lifesteal.

RexSaurApr 12, 20171 votes

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Again, you are not thinking correctly.

Tanks are only supposed to be countered by ADCs in the context of a team fight. The fact that an adc can build lifesteal and solo kill a tank in a few seconds is not what was intended. Tanks are walking bloodbags for lifesteal champions.

The idea is not invinciblity, it is achieving the objective of the role which is engage, survive, and disrupt. You can't disrupt an adc who can just sit there and face tank you because of lifesteal.

Tanks are not supposed to be 1v1ing damage class after mid game.

Tanks are suppsed to be terrible at dueling due to their team fight strenght (like supports), but this is what happens when tank mains get spoiled, they think the insanely ovepowered poppy we had couple months ago was the "norm" for tank champs.

KilanostApr 12, 20172 votes

The "glass cannon" classes shouldn't be 1v1ing tanks without a front line and peel. Tanks are hardly spoiled. We've been keeping our mouths shut about the ridiculous interactions between the armor pen stats and lethality and the sheer amount of ways champions can bypass our defenses (%health items, defense reduction, true damage, etc).

You need to reevaluate your idea of how this game is played. ADCs get a dedicated support because they are literally not supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone except other ADCs. Their job is to dps from the safety of the back line. In that context, and ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT, are adcs meant to counter tanks.

RexSaurApr 12, 20171 votes

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The "glass cannon" classes shouldn't be 1v1ing tanks without a front line and peel. Tanks are hardly spoiled. We've been keeping our mouths shut about the ridiculous interactions between the armor pen stats and lethality and the sheer amount of ways champions can bypass our defenses (%health items, defense reduction, true damage, etc).

You need to reevaluate your idea of how this game is played. ADCs get a dedicated support because they are literally not supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone except other ADCs. Their job is to dps from the safety of the back line. In that context, and ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT, are adcs meant to counter tanks.

Lethality is. bad. against. tanks

I can tell you have absolutely no clue about how the game works, but then again this is not surprising.

KilanostApr 12, 20171 votes

lethality is terrible against tanks BY ITSELF. But when you have someone who builds a couple lethality items and has a LW item and someone else on the team has a BC, the interaction is broken.

Obviously i'm the only one posting here that does know how the game works.

Big LincolnApr 12, 20171 votes

between thornmail rush and the 9 armor you take in runes, you'll do a grand total of 6 return damage

i doubt it'll be first buy, even in yasuo lanes

fuffychanApr 12, 20172 votes

Its more than 0.

BorkahnApr 12, 20171 votes

only person i really first buy it on is Rammus . and that's if I'm laning with him. If i'm jungle usually it's second item buy for him. Just because his synergy with the item is great.

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Apr 12, 20171 votes

The thornmail damage is really low once upgraded. You actually lose damage upgrading it.

200 bonus armor with randuin's is only 30 magic damage or 60 if it's a crit. Thornmail being a rush item is a trap. You get better damage getting a sunfire even if it gets nerfed.