Some actual math on this Runes "Refund"

Eedat··11 votes·2,136 views

Fairly long time player here (early Season 3) just doing some math on this "refund" you're giving us for runes. First, I'm going to start off with some pictures of all the runes I own. Every single one was purchased before this season:

http://imgur.com/a/KTjVi

Lets do some math shall we?

#Marks: Ability Power: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP Armor: 205 x 9 = 1845 IP Attack Damage: 102 x 9 = 918 IP Attack Speed: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP Crit Chance: 410 x 5 = 2,050 IP Lethality: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP Magic Pen: 205 x 9 = 1,845 IP Hybrid Pen: 820 x 9 = 7,380 IP

Total: 25,108 IP

#Seals:

Armor: 102 X 9 = 908 IP Crit Chance: 410 x 2 = 810 IP Health: 820 x 9 = 7,380 IP Mana Regen: 205 x 9 = 1,845 IP Scaling HP: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP

Total: 14,633 IP

#Glyphs:

Ability Power: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP Attack Speed: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP CDR: 820 x 9 = 7,380 IP Magic Resist: 102 x 9 = 918 IP Scaling CDR: 410 x 9 = 3,690 IP Scaling MR: 205 x 9 = 1,845 IP

Total: 21,213 IP

#Quints:

Ability Power: 512 x 3 = 1.536 IP Armor: 1025 x 3 = 3,075 IP Attack Damage: 512 x 3 = 1,536 IP Attack Speed: 1025 x 3 = 3,075 IP CDR: 2050 x 3 = 6,150 IP Health: 2050 x 2 = 4,100 IP Health Regen: 2050 x 2 = 4,100 IP Lethality: 1025 x 3 = 3,075 IP Life Steal: 2050 x 3 = 6,150 IP Magic Resist: 1,025 x 2 = 2,050 IP Move Speed: 2050 x 3 = 6,150 IP

Total: 40,997 IP

That brings us to....

#Grand Total: 101, 951 IP spent on runes

Now, exactly how much am I going to get from this "refund"?

#Refund amount: (160 runes x 100) + (30 quints x 400) = 28,000 IP

#Is this a fucking joke?

I get a QUARTER of what I spent on them back? Where the fuck did my other 74,000 IP go?

#Seventy-four THOUSAND IP just GONE?

This is absolutely insane. If you want to piss off every single older player you have left, by all means continue. If this "refund"actually happens, I will NEVER touch LoL ever again and will be sure to let any of my friend that are interested in the game exactly how I feel about it.

Way to really show how much you care about the customers that have supported you throughout the years. Nice to know you give absolutely zero shit about us and all you care about is new customers who will spend more money. Thanks Riot. Good job. Great work. Solid decision.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

36 Comments

ModDaenrysTargaryen8 votes

nice you get ip back when you never thought you were going to get it back when you bought it, KINDA LIKE REAL LIFE you buy something in the store you have a 14 day return policy but after that you will not get anything back even if the next verson comes out. and lets talk about trade ins, like apple phones you trade in your apple phone and you only get a % of the phones value back. Riots doing you a favor giving you back anything. they could have not given you back anything and just gave you an icon instead.

Zed genius3 votes

only that when you buy something IRL they don't take it away from you

ModDaenrysTargaryen3 votes

they never did, they basicly paid you while upgrading it for free

Zed genius4 votes

they are not upgrading it for free, they are giving it away to everyone, even those who haven't spent a single IP on runes.

To give u an IRL example, Let's say you bought an Iphone that cost 600$. A few years later, Apple decided to give a new Iphone to everyone in the world, and they decide to send someone to take away your old Iphone and give you 150$ back. Would you be OK with that? You basically just paid 450$ for something that is granted to everyone else for free . Doesn't sound like a good trade to me [fiora-cool]

ModDaenrysTargaryen1 votes

i get what you are saying but riot ip also does not have a real life value, also when you bought these runes you did so knowing you were not going to get refunded at all and the ip was going for runes which you would enjoy ingame, you have enjoyed the runes ingame and now riot has decided to give back some ip for the people who got the runes when they knew at the time they would never get a refund for the runes

Zed genius2 votes

you did so knowing you were not going to get refunded at all and the ip was going for runes which you would enjoy ingame, you have enjoyed the runes ingame

I also did not know that they were going to take those runes away from me when I bought them

HaIlMonitor1 votes

i get what you are saying but riot ip also does not have a real life value

How much do you make an hour?

ModDaenrysTargaryen1 votes

nothing yet, still looking for a job, but i only have about 120 bucks in my bank account

HaIlMonitor1 votes

Alright well then. Basically at minimum 7.25 usd an hour you get about 300 LP. (Two games one win/ one loss). And that is if you make more its like 2 cents per LP. Time is money. I understand not getting 100% back or whatever, but them only giving 25% is really weird.

Even your argument was we didn't expect anything back. Which even though is true, the new system helps people get champions faster, LP faster, and smoother. I would be okay with 50% but even people with 100k lp with all the runes wont be able to afford WW skin which is really weird lol.

ModDaenrysTargaryen1 votes

*ip, but you still can not really put a money value on ip. though i do get your point about the warwick skin

HaIlMonitor1 votes

I was talking about IP, basically saying every hour someone with minimum wage plays this game, they could have earned $7.25, that should be the value $7.25 = 300ip~

ModDaenrysTargaryen1 votes

uhh Lp is League points you do not get 300 League points in an hour you get prb a max of 60 for 2 wins

HaIlMonitor1 votes

Assuming you play 2 games a day* my bad. First win gives like 240ish

ModDaenrysTargaryen1 votes

uhh you are not getting it you get 240 first win ip, Lp is the ranked system

Automated Riven2 votes

Fuck ya I would. Because in that real life example apple would give everyone an iphone and wouldnt give you a damn cent.

Eedat9 votes

Oh yeah I forgot that in real life that when you buy something that the company can randomly just come take it back from you then give you 25% of what you paid for it. What a great analogy you very intelligent person

Automated Riven3 votes

lets be honest. You didnt buy anything. You played the game for free. and you got runes for free. Unless you decided to pay for ip boosts. But The game is free and the content is free. Any money you choose to spend is more like a donation.

Hexs Fortune3 votes

They could have just given us nothing and changed things all the same. They choose instead to give us something.

Ahristocats2 votes

if that something is terrible it might not exist

just saying i'm from a cursed country that enslaved people, and i escaped from it. i didn't stay in it and thought like "they could have killed us, i have to thank them for letting me live"

Cewki2 votes

Yea but you've been using those runes for over a year now, stop complaining at free stuff

Mawaru1 votes

To all the morons who try to justify it by saying "BUT YOU HAVE BEEN USING THEM" The runes are something mandatory. Good luck ENJOYING your game without them. You people are either new and not touched by this, or just too stupid to realize that you are being fucked in the ass without vaseline. This just isn't FAIR and i fully support the OP's opinion!

Ravenhale2 votes

Ugh... I finally did the numbers on mine. 106,095 IP spent... 15,600 IP refunded. That's a 14.7% IP refund.

doodlebob6661 votes

how much of it would you honestly spend you already more than enough judging from the 40k ip you have stocked up

lolibus1 votes

even if I got nothing I wouldnt care, im 1 champion away from having all support champions

Mawaru1 votes

For all I've seen so far there are NO new runes, just a new dumbed down system to REPLACE runes.There are no NEW runes at all.

P3PI1 votes

If you would leave the game just because you are losing some IP (you are not really losing it, they are just giving you the stuff for free from now on) then you don't really like this game, go look for another one. GL

Mysticman891 votes

Would you be ok with a full refund, provided all gains related to them were also returned?

So for example, you'd lose your previous season ranked rewards, and all the ip earned from games where you used those runes. You'll still probably net gain ip(/BE) compared to how they're handling it, but theres a lot of exclusive stuff you can never ever earn you'd be giving up, for no real long term gain.

Theres nothing truly exclusive as far as I can tell from this. They've said the BE sale will happen again (maybe once or twice a year), so urfwick/exclusive icons/other shinies will be available again in the long term, but the ranked rewards you earned (presumably) using your runes aren't something you'd ever be able to get.

Eedat1 votes

and all the ip earned from games where you used those runes.

THATS. LITERALLY. WHAT. THEYRE. DOING.

I'll tell you what. Riot can take all my ranked rewards back provided they return the hundreds of hours it took to grind that 74,000 IP because that IP is literally GONE. Straight up taken away. Jesus christ are people so used to being shafted this hard by companies that they dont even see the problem with this?

Automated Riven2 votes

You dont realize that seem to realize that you used those runes. I have played for seven years and I dont think what they are doing is unfair at all. You played for 4 years with what you bought. How come you dont go throw a bitch fit every time you lease a car for 3 years and complain and piss and moan about how you didnt get your 5 thousand dollars back. For goodness sakes. Riot is not obligated to give the players anything for allowing us to play for free for the last 8 years. And fun fact they would not be ripping off anyone who played the game for the last 7 years who have 2k ip in runes if they didnt give anyone anything. If I had a store and enabled you to get free points for coming to visit my store for 3 years. And you could redeem them for stuff that my store sold. And then I discontinued the free point system so that everyone could have the items. You are arguing that I would have to give you money for it. This is the dumbest thing to get upset over. They are essentually giving you free runes and you are throwing a hissy fit about it.

Ravenhale1 votes

I think its wonky. A 2050 IP Quint has the same refund value as a 515 IP Quint? These runes had different values and its only sensible that they are refunded accordingly. I don't even care about the ones bought before Riot halved the price on some of the common Tier 3 runes. Those were the ones we most likely got the most use out of, so that's fine.

Mawaru1 votes

YOU CANT ENJOY THE GAME WITHOUT THE RUNES, YOU HAVE TO FARM THEM, THEY ARE MANDATORY, LIKE THEM OR NOT. Unless you only play bot games maybe?

ALso they don't give you "free runes" lol they taking away runes to replace them by some dumbed down system where there is not nearly as much choice as before, THERE ARE NO NEW RUNES.

Mysticman891 votes

They'll return the hours you played, when you return the enjoyment you got from playing them.

Unless you don't like playing this game, in which case I'm really confused as to why you put time in to earn runes.

Mawaru1 votes

I know what you mean man, this is ridiculous it's sad that so many morons are actually defending them, but i reckon they just aren't affected, so they shit on people who are.

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