Problems With Veigar's "Buffed" Q

DrCabes··3 votes·744 views

Argument: Veigars new Q makes farming easier.

  • This is the only argument for the Veigar Q that I would agree with however the tradeoffs for this are not worth it.

Argument: Veigars new Q lets him harass from a safe distance.

  • Just no. With the Q able to be blocked by minions you will never hit a competent laner with that Q in lane.
  • The range on the Q is not long enough to "safely" harass almost any other midlaner. It puts you in range for most other midlaners harass and they can combo theirs with other abilities most of the time as well while you have no other harass or mobility ability. Veigars E is also not a very reliable soource of peel against a lot of laners. -Your opposing laner sneezed and actually walks into your stun, if there are minions you cant Q him at all. If you relocate yourself to be able to land a Q you are in the danger zone where the stun wheres off and you are in their range while having no peel for yourself.
  • After casting Veigars E 10 times and finally stunning the other team you cant hit the target you want most of the time because they are being blocked by the bulky tanks that are standing on top of them.

Conclusion

  • The new Q is very unreliable in any offensive uses and is only proficient at farming. With the nerf to his E and the change to his Q Veigar's only reliable damage source is his ult. Every other ability can either be blocked or easily avoided.
  • That being said playing Veigar now feels like playing Nasus where your whole objective is to farm and only farm, however unlike Nasus that has a slow that might as well be a root, you have no reliable way to land your damaging spells on the target you want to hit for the late game after you stack your ap which kind of defeats the whole purpose and you cant just run around the front line or you'll be caught out instantly and deleted by the enemy carries that have more reliable damaging/cc spells then you do.

6 Comments

DrCyanide2 votes

Minion hitboxes also make it annoying. I'll think I'll have the once-in-a-laning phase opportunity to harass the enemy through the minion wave, only to see it hit two minions that were side by side...

DrCabes1 votes

Exactly my point. On old Veigar I would almost only use my Q to harass and farm with autos and be able to kill the other laner at level 6. Now you have no choice but to use it for farm because you'll only hit the other laner if they put themselves out of position, so you have almost zero kill potential in lane without a gank from a jungler with a stun/root to actually enable you to land a W or E.

DemonPvP2 votes

I used to be amazing at veigar, but since his buff/nerf I feel the only thing I do in games is feed and farm. The only way of getting some damage on a player is if you got a good stun on a player. I hate the new delay on his e. Although it is true that it was op before, now it's pretty much useless for getting kills. His w is hard enough to land, now with out a stun it's even HARDER. I hate the update and I would love for him to be his old version again.

j j1 votes

It doesn't make farming faster, it could possibly make it easier although that is in for debate, it also has the potential to be better in team fights although again open for debate.

DrCabes1 votes

I never said it made farming faster, only that it's easier and it is. But its not better for teamfights because you cant hit the enemy squishy unless they're way out of position because they'll be blocked by the other teams tanks/fighters that probably have a significant amount of mr. Also the damage from the Q is not enough to make up for almost never being able to land an E, or W. The point of this is Veigar has no reliable form of damage aside from his ult, which well, a nidalee spear has the potential to do the same amount of damage on a 6 second cd.

j j2 votes

No, it was one of your argument points that most people bring up. I personally think they shit all over veigar. But that's the way it is. Poop on immobiles and make mobile champions op. Veigar is trash tier now.

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