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what is an ADC supposed to do in this situation?

YoIocaust··1 votes·902 views

https://gyazo.com/421340b6d4597488f18065ce9ffd402b i have gotten to master in all roles (although im D3 right now), now tell me, what am i supposed to do as an ADC in this worthless situation? i told my team to STOMP OR LOSE, i specificly took ignite cause i knew it was over in champ select. we have a full AD TDM teamcomp with a passive support while i play whats meant to be a "farm for lategame" role.

i got FB this game in a 2v3 situation, lee was ok and zed was fantastic. but the 300 farm yasuo in 24 mins was too much, i couldnt do anything alone and this teamcomp wasnt suited for an ADC to shine and the enemy was just completely overloaded that they could win 3v5.

i aint saying i lose cause of my team, you either win the turret game with cait or the stomp game with draven with a 15 min inhib before to make up for pointless teamcomps. every other ADC is teamcomp/beastmode player reliant otherwise you have to hope the enemy are completely brainless or they also have a shit comp. if there's nothing to play around just split and feed instead.

20 Comments

DeathBurst3 votes

What's the point of this OP? I'm not sure I follow...

I mean, you know that you can't win all games. This was one of those unwinnable games, forget it and win the next one.

YoIocaust1 votes

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What's the point of this OP? I'm not sure I follow...

I mean, you know that you can't win all games. This was one of those unwinnable games, forget it and win the next one.

you wont win every game i agree, but you can make it easier for the ADC just by making solid picks that do just fine from start to finish just by going 0-0... this one was unwinnable in champ select unless we all went 7-0 each in 12 mins. was expecting people to say "position better" and more overused copy+paste shit.

polarbairr2 votes

Did you try not-feeding? Asking one of the tanks to tank?

YoIocaust1 votes

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Did you try not-feeding? Asking one of the tanks to tank?

my feeding came from splitting cause i gave up (i was ahead in lane), there was no direct way to win so i just splitfed and maybe get a lucky inhib.

chipndip12 votes

I mean...honestly you couldn't do anything. Your team drafted like shit, then you all played like shit. Yeah, going 3/12/2 doesn't help your case.

You're complaining about not having adc-friendly tools like tanks and what-not, but Kog was working with a similar setup (bit more hard peel, but still). If you guys got ahead, I'd imagine you could have won, but you didn't and decided int-pushing was the "answer". You should have just dodged instead of being toxic and inting.

YoIocaust1 votes

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I mean...honestly you couldn't do anything. Your team drafted like shit, then you all played like shit. Yeah, going 3/12/2 doesn't help your case.

You're complaining about not having adc-friendly tools like tanks and what-not, but Kog was working with a similar setup (bit more hard peel, but still). If you guys got ahead, I'd imagine you could have won, but you didn't and decided int-pushing was the "answer". You should have just dodged instead of being toxic and inting.

we did get ahead... i split as our only chance of maybe picking up a lucky win if the enemy dont notice me splitting l0l. i dont care about "protect the adc comp" i fucking love having yasuos/rivens going in 1v5, it gives me freedom rather then a lee doing a 15% burst suicide kick...

the only one that played like shit was jax. 50 farm to 90 yasuo in 10 mins then yasuo managed to get 300 farm in 24 mins. our only chance of winning was the enemy being completely brainless or getting 5 kills each before 12th min.

chipndip11 votes

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we did get ahead... i split as our only chance of maybe picking up a lucky win if the enemy dont notice me splitting l0l. i dont care about "protect the adc comp" i fucking love having yasuos/rivens going in 1v5, it gives me freedom rather then a lee doing a 15% burst suicide kick...

If you were ahead, why did YOU split as the adc? You're not supposed to split for towers as the adc in most instances. You split to farm. If you had the lead, you should have just ran team fights to get gold on Jax. THEN it'd be more feasible that you'd win. You'd still have to close out early, but there'd be a decent chance.

the only one that played like shit was jax. 50 farm to 90 yasuo in 10 mins then yasuo managed to get 300 farm in 24 mins. our only chance of winning was the enemy being completely brainless or getting 5 kills each before 12th min.

I mean, apparently you played awful, too. Split-feeding isn't good play no matter how you spin it. The point of splitting is to die as little as possible while generating side lane pressure. If you're gonna die, don't split in the first place. You're making it worse.

YoIocaust1 votes

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If you were ahead, why did YOU split as the adc? You're not supposed to split for towers as the adc in most instances. You split to farm. If you had the lead, you should have just ran team fights to get gold on Jax. THEN it'd be more feasible that you'd win. You'd still have to close out early, but there'd be a decent chance.

I mean, apparently you played awful, too. Split-feeding isn't good play no matter how you spin it. The point of splitting is to die as little as possible while generating side lane pressure. If you're gonna die, don't split in the first place. You're making it worse.

the "split and hope for the best" is a strat that has got me a few wins as melee champs if i find the team is shit or the enemy team is just too strong. i tried it as ADC but adc's are zero match vs melee champs. i was doing 60 dmg with autos and we lost 5v3 fights. this is what triggered me. i had no constant problems playing ADC in all seasons before season 7 started.

chipndip11 votes

Trust me: It throws away more comebacks than it enables when you don't keep yourself alive during splits. Also, don't split that long as an adc.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

that zed build lol. but ya in that situation you are screwed that game is one we like to call unwinable, you had both no cc and no synergy between your champions and judging by lees score he did not abuse the fact of his early game power and actually ganked.

Dasdi961 votes

Holy shit that yas farm. Almost 12.5 cs/minute.

CannonLordFreed1 votes

You surrender at 20, and move on.

DemainaNyx1 votes

Yep. I can play most supports and keep most of my team alive despite our mistakes. Then I play ADC, I get a Zyra support who never uses a single ability all lane, and then cries about how her ADC is useless.

Yes, unless the support (or team) helps get the ADC ahead, they are basically useless since they will be focused by the entire enemy team.

Literally had a game where I got my ADC 6 kills in lane before we took the tower, then we group to try and take mid tower and I wasn't able to peel Jax, Maokai, and Malz, so he ended up dying 3 times. ADC thanked me for winning lane for him, and enemy Jax said I was bad because I couldn't protect him from the fed jungle, top, and mid laners. I mean, seriously, you'd think the team would recognize who's fed and try to help me protect them, but that's just not how this game goes.

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

i specificly took ignite cause i knew it was over in champ select

"I did a stupid thing, but I don't understand how I lost!"

we have a full AD TDM teamcomp

And only J4 and Lulu built armor. Its not why you lost.

with a passive support while i play whats meant to be a "farm for lategame" rol

Are you suggesting you can't win with a Soraka? Like at all?

this teamcomp wasnt suited for an ADC to shine

Because it didn't have 2 tanks? You have a front line here that you can stand behind (Jax and Lee) even if they weren't super beefy.

i aint saying i lose cause of my team, you either win the turret game with cait or the stomp game with draven with a 15 min inhib before to make up for pointless teamcomps. every other ADC is teamcomp/beastmode player reliant otherwise you have to hope the enemy are completely brainless or they also have a shit comp. if there's nothing to play around just split and feed instead.

This whole thing is just a tirade. Look at Kog. That is not a team I would call "adc friendly" either, but he MAULED your team.

YoIocaust1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAY7xNkQ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-07-24T05:32:04.564+0000)

"I did a stupid thing, but I don't understand how I lost!"

And only J4 and Lulu built armor. Its not why you lost.

Are you suggesting you can't win with a Soraka? Like at all?

Because it didn't have 2 tanks? You have a front line here that you can stand behind (Jax and Lee) even if they weren't super beefy.

This whole thing is just a tirade. Look at Kog. That is not a team I would call "adc friendly" either, but he MAULED your team.

put it this way, if i was on kogs team and he was on my team i would have won in 15 mins CAUSE I SHAT ON HIM IN LANE AND HES TEAMCOMP WAS OMGWTFBBQ.

the only reason i won lane in a 2v3 situation IS CAUSE I TOOK IGNITE, MY INTENTIONS WAS TO END IT BEFORE THE ENEMY SIMPLY CRUSH US. the game went on long enough to the point the only thing we could play around (stomping) ended by the 12th min, then we had nothing to win with.

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

Shitting on a Kog in lane is basically meaningless. And, if I'm reading "OMGWTFBBQ" as "very good", I'm going to have to take serious contention with that. Sure, he had 2 supports (Lux and Lulu), but they're more "passive" supports than "peeling" supports, so if Lee got on him, and Lee is good, it shouldn't have been an issue.

YoIocaust1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAY7xNkQ,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T05:38:43.745+0000)

Shitting on a Kog in lane is basically meaningless. And, if I'm reading "OMGWTFBBQ" as "very good", I'm going to have to take serious contention with that. Sure, he had 2 supports (Lux and Lulu), but they're more "passive" supports than "peeling" supports, so if Lee got on him, and Lee is good, it shouldn't have been an issue.

you just dont get it. if lee does a typical suicide kick lulu will press R on kog, if zed goes in she will press W on him. gues what im fucking dealing with? a 300 farm yasuo in 24 mins with a jarvan dunking me. whos my support? LIKE WHO THE ACTUAL FUCK IS MY SUPPORT? YOU DONT EVEN REALIZE MY AUTOS WERE DOING 60 DMG CAUSE WE'RE FULL AD.

and the team had the fucking cheek to tell me to take heal? i took ignite cause i knew i was going to get camped, i knew this game was over be4 it started. i got a few kills by using ignite early but it was nowhere near enough.

the funny thing is my 5 win streak ended BY HAVING 2 GAMES IN A ROW WHERE MY TEAM HAD ZED+JAX+SORAKA. https://gyazo.com/648bb8a9063e97dea37b525cbed378bb now what?

HeresyHorus1 votes

  • U should have rushed item 3812 item 3046 instead of item 3031 if u cant afford its power gamble, and buyitem 3026 right after item 3031 ( maybe even before it if their team is tunnel - visioning u like idiots ).

  • IMO u shouldn't have upgraded to tier 2 boots ( i take item 1001 and sell it once i get my 2nd item 3086 item and needed the extra slot ).

  • Soraka should have rushed item 3109 ( Jax LeeSin can buy this too ) instead of item 3107 becuase her healing is shit early and item 3107 active has a long CD, and item 3222 later for the extra healing power and if u or Zed were bad at dodging Lux shit and for Lulu W.

  • Take Lethality ( if u run Cunning Tree with SRS like i do in most games ) or Scaling AD ( if u run Ferocity Tree with WB, for the extra heal ) Marks instead of Flat AD or AS Marks, also dont take Flat Armor/HP seals as they are shit compared the Scaling ones and there is no reason to not take them when u have a support in ur lane.

  • Zed should have gone item 3812 item 3046 item 3026 too, after his first Lethality item ofc.

  • Fit a item 3190 in ur team where it is necessary.

Ur team should make use of the "Protect the ADC" comp resurgence, and it will stay for sure cuz AD champs ( especially ADCs ) are favored by RIot.

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