I just had an interesting game that has me wondering. I played MF vs another MF in a normal game to try out the new changes. ALL of MF's abilities scale on AP, so I built straight AP. The enemy MF built straight AD. We went pretty even in lane and had close to the same relative items at the end of the game. How was she able to do almost triple my total damage for the game? She hard carried and I did meh. It doesn't make any sense.
KayVaugn2 votesMF's Q has an 85% AD scaling and 35% AP scaling.
The passive from her W has a 6% AD scaling and no AP scaling. Activating W increases her attack speed IE more autos which means the more AD you have the more damage per auto.
Her E is a 80% AP ratio with no AD scaling, you would have to most definitely max this first on AP MF but Q still does a lot more.
Her ult is kinda confusing as far as the ratios go since it varies based on a lot of different factors such as the level of it and how many stacks you have from your W. Her AD scaling on it is anywhere from 198% AD scaling to over 216% at max level with max stacks from your W giving you 48% bonus on top of that with a 20% AP scaling.
Not sure if I got this all correctly because mf is a little confusing when it comes to her scaling but it's fairly accurate and should tell you why building AP mf isn't that great.
Lugg1 votesI think you are posting the old ratios. The new ones only have AP scaling, at least that's what the LoL website says right now.
KayVaugn1 votesI used the league wiki, which is usually pretty good at being up to date especially considering she's been updated for three days. The website is clearly bugged or something because all her AD ratios are 0. Everything involving an AD scaling says it's 0 so it must be bugged or something because she most definitely has AD scaling.
Lugg1 votesYeah, the LoL has that too. Didn't know those were the AD ratios. Thanks for the info!
KayVaugn1 votesyeah I would use the wiki over the website in the future. The wiki is pretty good at being up to date and accurate where as riot is a bit lazy at keeping everything up to date. Most tooltips are so out of date or inaccurate and they [Riot] have said that they know this but still haven't bothered fixing them.
Lugg1 votesGood to know. Thanks :D
Amelie1 votesI believe AD MF will have more dps because she will be using her powerful auto attacks + attack speed. AP MF relies purely on her skills, and her auto attacks won't match up in damage against AD MF.
disregardable1 votesNot to mention AP MF has long cooldowns and weak scalings.
FrontlinerDelta1 votesAP MF only has 2 skills that deal magic damage, W and E. Between those, only E has a scaling. Her ult might have an AP scaling but it does physical damage which means late game when people build armor, if you built AP and Magic Pen, you won't be doing much damage.
MF is an ad carry at heart. So the reason the ad MF beat you is, it's more efficient with her kit to be built ad. Double up hits like a truck and applies on hit effects, W is an awesome attack speed steroid and her R will shred if you have armor pen and get some stacks of W on the enemy.
Lugg1 votesThanks for the feedback.
Poop Jelly1 votesGeneral answer: MF was intended as an ADC hence going AD is more crucial, but AP MF is an unconventional build on her. Her ult scales well with AP but it's actually AD.
MF is a champ with no hardcore CC or reliable mobility in addition to her squishy ranged nature, so it's safe to concur that damage is the best way to go for MF. The thing that makes AD MF does more damage to AP MF is probably her ability for follow-up actions. MF scales well with attack speed with the additional damage from W passive. Like all ADCs, her damage is a big deal, but in order to apply huge damage she has to be in a good position and able to do damage without much disruption.
Now as for AP MF, she does have scaling in AP, but in the end, almost everything resulting in physical damage (Q-R). Her E (Make it Rain) seems to have very good scaling, but enemies rarely stand under it full duration, leaving it like an incomplete Morgana's tormented soil. While Q sits at a low cooldown at maximum skillup, she's heavily depending on Lich Bane for that proc damage – meanwhile due to low attack damage and attack speed, the time waiting for next double up is just wasted while AD MF can even ignore the use of Q and just go straight for crit-basic autos. Let's not also forget the fact that her Q has a really short range as a spell for MF to go in and be in a vulnerable state.
End gaming, AD MF scales like an ADC, while AP MF probably falls off when enemies get more HP or MR.
I still like to see people use AP MF, it's always fun to watch =]]
Lugg1 votesThanks for the post, it was really good.