List heroes that are pigeon holed

LilxPaprika··1 votes·1,574 views

and can we think of ways to give certain heroes a way to branch out enough to be more fun to main. Kayle Shen Nidalee imo nidalee could be off bruiser if she wanted to, thanks to lifesteal on q.

Kayn 's ability to choose one approach or the other. Now in his case it's more pronounced, I'd like to have some subtle things.

I find shen is particularly pigeon holed item wise because if he clears too fast hes dangerous and his energy means mana items aren't that viable.

example I made this comment for kayle: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ffBqOsEP-yasuo-is-since-51-patches-one-of-the-most-banned-champions?comment=0011

I wish Kayle had two passives like yasuo has. he gets a shield and crit scaling.

if kayle builds ad marksmen items she is utter garbage. would be nice if she had ad scaling a little. maybe it could increase her basic attack dmg, cuz it's sooo low.

that way with AP she gets big heals + ms on w, but with ad she can have more sustain from lifesteal on more auto dmg

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WindLord70702 votes

Like the good ole days when champions could build multiple things and play multiple roles RIP Ad nid and lane nidalee in general.

They made the perfect solution by making kayn tbh. For nidalee as an example. At the start of the game let her choose to "Adapt" to either lane or jungle and which ever one you chose lets your kit be slightly different so you can actually be viable as a laner without over buffing her jungle. Or even make it so she has to kill a certain number of lane minions to adapt to lane. But have killing any jungle creep first lock her into the jungle version.

LilxPaprika1 votes

ya Kayn was a great idea. I could see a non split pushing Shen having this option to maybe have the option to give his ultimate less range. yep a start of game adapt feature would be cool. I just think each hero could have so much more replay value if it allowed for more adaptive scaling type stuff. It wasn't perfectly executed before, that's maybe why they did away with it but was still more fun than now, where there's very little room to experiment.

like even simple stuff like what I suggested for kayle.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Hey man shen is pretty fun. But I get what you are saying. Maybe give his ult a big aoe ap burst to make ap shen more of a thing and lower the sheild and range. Hell an ap tank would be pretty fun. Sorry Mao lol

LilxPaprika1 votes

ya I wouldn't change the current Shen , i'd just give the >option< to build a little differently, a little more off tank (bit more fighter). well the ult scales well with AP already, what I would do is reduce the ult radius but increase some ap scaling elsewhere in his kit, maybe his passive could also scale with AP in conjunction with HP or with AS as well. like this could be a viable build on shen: item 3091 item 3146 item 3065 item 3068 item 3022

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Yeah I hear ya. The way he is rn he is a pretty strong fighter when you do get ahead tho. So you would almost have to nerf his regular split pushing build to give him that option.

But if he could build ap/tank id look for something like this item 3091 item 3115 item 3065 item 3068 then add some other tank item like item 3194 or if not tank then item 3102

LilxPaprika1 votes

yep hence the radius decrease on ult. it would have to be like what they did to Kayn, he would perhaps enter meditation animation at fountain and change how he looks, particularly his face Icon so people can tell who you chose. that said I do think shen is like the only exception in terms of allowing fighter/tank hybrid build, because he has a huge global.

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