Remember when randuins had 500 hp, 70 armor, and slowed enemies who attacked you.

Dasdi96·Apr 10, 2017·104 votes·3,833 views

It was a perfect item for bruisers and tanks to avoid kiting, now the one on the pbe is a complete shell of its former self, it is not worth buying at all.

69 Comments

Big LincolnApr 10, 201770 votes

gone but never forgotten

http://pm1.narvii.com/5803/99b0aa03e4581321860d4133fcd42b641c3c9caf_hq.jpg

R.I.P. item 3070

JarvansWARApr 10, 201710 votes

RIP Bat-can

ArakadiaApr 11, 201724 votes

Old icon was cooler too imo.

5000000000000000Apr 11, 201711 votes

item 3143 for reference I'd have preferred if they just updated the icon so the resolution was better.

Black Cleaver is definitely better now though. The thing wasn't even black.

Pale PirateApr 11, 20177 votes

Better stats: ✓ More variety: ✓ Cooler icon: ✓ Looked more ominous: ✓

Unironic SJWApr 10, 201719 votes

"avoid kiting"

that's literally the counterplay to fighters and tanks - to kite them

ModAcademy KaynApr 11, 201712 votes

I don't get why you'd be downvoted, it's true. By turning it into an active slow, they reward the tanks and bruisers who can close the distance, while allowing ADCs to avoid that by either dodging gap closers, or like you said, kiting them.

SpoofghoulApr 12, 20171 votes

it still had the active slow if im not mistaken

it was just perfect to stack randuins and thornmail and be like yo don't attack me

ofc you could still be killed it was just harder and you deal some damage back and slowed them making kiting more difficult

the 10% 1 second slow wasnt that big of a deal it just made positioning harder

the items were fairly balanced for tanks but when an irelia bought it and point and clicked you in the face and you then can't get away from her It's just another instance of tank items getting abused by other classes

lately it has been sunfire and gauntlet both are now weaker versions of their former selves as well Along with other tank/juggernaut items being abused like cleaver and steraks

People will never use items as intended unless you restrict their use this is why we can't have nice things lol

FrightningApr 11, 20172 votes

Yep, I remember when they removed the passive slow, and it was precisely for that very reason.

AhristocatsApr 10, 201711 votes

you forgot to say that xypherous happened

and as xypherous is xypherous, he said that bruisers should die in a hole

-gH

Big LincolnApr 10, 20176 votes

did he say that?

fuck xypherous then

AhristocatsApr 10, 20175 votes

nerf to triforce(then buffed back) and withend and frozen heart removal of atma and force of nature, heart of gold

nerf of frozen mallet, nerf of randuin

tell me more

Big LincolnApr 10, 20174 votes

rioter bias rip

why do they always hate us, where's the rioter who loves bruisers and makes us op :'(

JarvansWARApr 10, 20173 votes

He probably works on the lore team or something.

LankPantsApr 10, 20172 votes

He's a lead balance member, pretty much the worst of them.

JarvansWARApr 10, 20173 votes

Then explain why building tank is counter-intuitive after a 1300 gold purchase.

5000000000000000Apr 11, 20173 votes

Last Whisper is getting nerfed to 35% penetration from 45%. Hopefully things are going to be better.

Flawless FetusApr 11, 20172 votes

Hopefully. They aren't nerfing lw because it's to strong, though. They're nerfing it bc they are removing armor from armor items. Only makes sense to hit the pen a little bit, too.

Kelly KApr 11, 20175 votes

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Hopefully. They aren't nerfing lw because it's to strong, though. They're nerfing it bc they are removing armor from armor items. Only makes sense to hit the pen a little bit, too.

what i thought they were increasing the armor in items and reducing the health you get?

Flawless FetusApr 11, 20171 votes

You're right. I had misread. Health is going down, and resistance is going up - I thought it was the other way around. Between armor buffs, and LW nerf, thing should definitely get better for tanks.

SpoofghoulApr 12, 20171 votes

not really

with less health to back up the armor the EHP remains similar

being shredded with BC and LW still removes over half your armor

You now have less hp to defend yourself vs the crits

which are getting buffed 40% runaans bolts, thats a buff to crit adc's firecannon and shiv are working together again hi vayne i see you are back at it

overal more ad and bigger damage amp from LDR

There might be more armor but it's still not an effective stat without the health to back it up it's even worse

AD gets a net buff they will remain just as effective vs tanks but stronger vs everything else tanks remain roughly equally durable but lose out on damage so they are getting a net nerf

Only upside is we get to deal with ap dps, so the 40< % winrate azirs and ryzes will no longer bother us lol

. . .

Troll for TrumpApr 11, 20176 votes

They call this the ADC bias factor

Hello I am BirdApr 11, 20171 votes

Well I mean Force of Nature was pretty broken, and if you wanted to keep a health + armor + MR item, it would have to be nerfed in to oblivion and kept week, so It would be better to just remove it imo

Solidair3Apr 10, 201710 votes

It was way too strong when it slowed movement speed on auto attacks. Having the active is enough.

I'd like to see it keep the crit reduction tho.

WarpesApr 11, 20176 votes

Wait people still play tanks and/or use tank items in this game? Why bother since Riot is cupping every ADCs balls.

badoogaApr 11, 20172 votes

They have some really interesting tank items that they just created and added to the PBE, m8.

SirΤeemοApr 10, 20174 votes

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48983507DEL1Apr 10, 201732 votes

Wrong.

A Basic IslandApr 11, 20179 votes

How does naut use zeds ult

JoseraphApr 10, 201713 votes

What game are you playing?

What game am I playing?

EvanThomasApr 11, 20176 votes

He's become self aware. Someone call the tribunal.

5000000000000000Apr 11, 20172 votes

Didn't it get retconned?

LegendmakerGXApr 11, 20173 votes

{quoted}

to be honest , a tank champion like nautilus , just goes 1v5 gets a triple kill (kappa) flashes make a flashy play , uses zed's ultimate , wombo combo FAKER WHAT WAS THHAAAAAT and gets out alive full hp.

The fk are you even talking about? Tank nautilus 1v5?? out of no where you pull out a "uses zed ultimate" huh? If you seriously lost a 1v5 then you clearly must be bad as hell to lose a 1v5, heck if anyone loses a 1v5 then they should just stop playing for the whole day.

SirΤeemοApr 11, 20173 votes

it was... sarcastic &_&

Glory ln DeathApr 11, 20172 votes

He's talking about before the Duskblade rework, when it gave you a mini Zed ult.

SaiannaApr 11, 20174 votes

I predicted that Riot will nerf tanks & tank items.

I fucking did predicted that shit half a fucking year ago.

I have to play some lottery now.

Serika ZeroApr 11, 20171 votes

np bro, now you tanks get an item that gives you another hp bar. You know, the one that reduces your damage by 60%? But who cares about that if you can use it and get full hp in an instant for the next 4 seconds?

the tank rework will create a new tank meta, just like, after mage rework. It was a mage meta, till they got nerfed into oblivion. And assassin rework created the monster that is talon right now, of and edge of night which was build on anyone that had ad........... and jayce that became an assassin. Making it an assassin meta for a few patches. kha is still top tier jungler, and that was thx to the rework for assassins. While akali got "raped".

Now a similar thing will happen for tanks. Some will become broken and picked in every single game.

WiegrafOfValorApr 11, 20173 votes

Dude, every ADC item is receiving buffs on PBE, where every Tank item is receiving nerfs..

That item you listed is shit, 3k for 80 AR and MR only in Teamfights, active that works for 2 sec on a 90 sec CD.

Serika ZeroApr 11, 20172 votes

you are free to have your opinion, its just that tank meta after rework is coming

as much as you deny it, as much as you hate it. All previous reworks had this effect. Look back to juggernaughts, assassins, adcs, mages, etc. They all changed the meta for the upcoming patch.

SaiannaApr 11, 20171 votes

One thing I noticed: There's and never was X Meta, if X was being nerfed.

For example with Riots "amazing" meta-shifting & balancing when they had updated Mages (aka nerf mages, buff supports) we didn't had Mage meta. When Riot nerfed the living shit out of some assassins, we did had assassin meta, but only for handful of champs.

There won't be tank meta, if tank items will be nerfed to shitter and right after tank champions. Cause noone will be sane enough to play them competetively, if mere bruiser/fighter could do the same job better while dishing out damage.

Serika ZeroApr 11, 20171 votes

juggerwhatever update: fiora, gp, morde, darius meta took em 1 year to balance fiora and gp, a few months for darius oh, and sterak gage abused by adcs

adc update: graves played in every role, corki mid all game every game, quinn played in jungle top and mid, vayne one shotting with an qAA we basically had adcs in 2-3 roles per game

mage update: vlad, malza every game, zyra new top tier support, anivia top win rate soloq needed nerfs, annie support gone

assassin update: jungle owner by kha, rengar, graves (not assassin) mid owned by talon, jayce (became an assassin) peal supports (janna, lulu, nami) very strong fizz went back to tank mode and dominating top lane

all updates changed the meta, and we are going into a tank meta :)

SaiannaApr 15, 20172 votes

mage update: vlad, malza every game, zyra new top tier support, anivia top win rate soloq needed nerfs, annie support gone

Vlad gone weird and unfun to play. Just as roftlstomping as before. A.k.a useless update
malza was overbuffed. Then overnerfed and left there.
Zyra became pure support. In a fucking mage update. A MAGE became support. Awesome MAGE update.
anivia top was rare. Tbh i haven't even heard of her being anywhere near OP in Mage update.
Annie change was nothing more than gutting her tibbers and uh.. that's pretty much all. And it happend quite a while after mage update... Anivias case too.

And almost all mage items got nerfed aswell.

Overall I am heavily biased when it comes to mages. And Since 2013 I see mages (as a whole class) getting nothing but nerfs. Obviously I'm very unhappy cause of it, and thus I dislike when someone either doesn't know or lies about past. Not saying you lie, but there are things that are wrong with what you say :)

Serika ZeroApr 15, 20171 votes

look bro, or sis. I understand what you mean. Just, the "mage meta" lasted for a few patches. Ofc they eventually got nerfed and we moved forward, but for a few patches (like 5 or more) mages dominated after update (so did the other classes).

And you are right, most mage items got nerfed with with update :( So, a lot of other mages "Dropped" (bye lissandra, tf, etc). Even Diana, my main, she is in a really bad spot atm meta wise :(

I felt like Protobelt + Nashors and so on was good for a while. But then Lethality and Edge of night came out, she kind of got worse in the meta :( Even right now she's not to good. Tho maybe, just maybe, Nashors + Gunblade can work good for her, but that's gona get nerfed sood thx to lebronze breaking the item ....

SaiannaApr 15, 20171 votes

There really wasn't really "mage meta".... More like "selected 3 or 5 mages that do fairly well against ADCs" meta. And even those few mages were shat on by mid-assassins, that was also the time when Zed, Talon, Ahri, LB were at their strongest I think. All of them are assassin'ish though.

"Normal mages", like Ziggs or.. Veigar? they were on the lowest position in food chain.

most mage items got nerfed

All. They have been either nerfed or reworked to support, so simply removed from mage builds.

Just few nitpicks from my side :)

Tbh after 847184th stupid decision Riot has made I lost interest in LoL. It's fun..ish game but the ADC bias at Rito HQ and their policy to keep ADCs overbearing and always strong tired me.

Serika ZeroApr 16, 20171 votes

just like the "adc" meta when it was stronger than usual it was just a few adcs (Graves, quinn, corki, and 3 more on bot lane). That's what "tank", "adc", "assassin" etc meta means for rito they pick favorites and bam, those get pick/banned almost every game

and not all mage items got nerfed, there's item 3285 and item 3089 that didn't get touched :p i think RoA and Mask too