for a second there i thought i caught leblanc

Goodest Gamer·May 13, 2015·75 votes·3,028 views

LOL. i made a joke. u guys like it? caught her then she pressed zhonyas and made it across the map within 5 seconds. nice job riot!

53 Comments

Creamy SeamanMay 13, 201534 votes

IDFK Why Zed, Kalista, and Leblanc have not been gutted yet.

Goodest GamerMay 13, 201511 votes

well u see, cc works on zed and kalista. leblanc being able to have 5 seconds to go back to first w from across the map oin the other hand for free is what i like to call cancer. zed cant just jump across the map, he needs to ulti on somebody and then shadow, cc shits on him, but lb on the other hand is the mobility god.

Creamy SeamanMay 13, 20156 votes

Yeah I agree Leb is worst out of all of them. Most annoying in game especially with ludens

Aych PiiMay 13, 20152 votes

The worst is when the player starts spouting "Outplayed" over allchat. Congratulations, you used your abilities in a mildly competent manner in a one on one situation making it literally impossible for me to stop you from just walking away, no matter how I had handled the situation. I'm proud. Catching a leblanc absolutely requires two players with relatively good chase communicating and working together well to catch, because with one person you can only either stay at her mark and let her walk away or follow her dash and let her blink back and ult in the other direction.

TerchioMay 13, 20151 votes

I don't like the comparison that CC works particularly well against Zed and Kalista. While they do theoretically work, skillshot CC skills (ones LB dodges very effectively) are also nearly as effective for the other two, especially since most Kalistas stay out of range regardless and have Merc Treads, and Zed still has dodging capability. All 3 take point-and-click CC nearly as effectively as one another (though rare, nowadays), and the important part of all of this... Who takes CC well? None of the 3 would be on that list for me... You better assassinate them during that CC, or they'll fly away as normal. Meanwhile, actual non-mobile champions are... well... still not mobile. They be dead. CC is no real counter for any of the 3. To say Leblanc is standing tall above the others against CC is kinda moot when often they make the most effective CC diversions in the game.

Shroom JunkieMay 13, 20156 votes

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IDFK Why Zed, Kalista, and Leblanc have not been gutted yet.

Zed because he's squishy. Kalista because she doesn't need it. LeBlanc because... well, I have no idea man. So much escape potential and just shreds people's health pools.

Troy242621May 13, 201531 votes

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Zed because he's squishy.

You cannot even dispute that he is the single safest assassin in the entire game. He also has some of the best farming capability and is one of the most powerful assassins. Hence his popularity..

{quoted} Kalista because she doesn't need it.

I really hope you don't think Kalista is fine the way she is.

XtremeyMay 13, 20153 votes

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You cannot even dispute that he isn't the single safest assassin in the entire game. He also has some of the best farming capability and is one of the most powerful assassins. Hence his popularity..

I really hope you don't think Kalista is fine the way she is.

he may be safe, but his only kill potential is in his ult, which is the most telegraphed assassination ability in the game

XengreMay 13, 20151 votes

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he may be safe, but his only kill potential is in his ult, which is the most telegraphed assassination ability in the game

Hardly. Beyond his ult already letting him guarantee a kill against anyone without Zhongya/GA, bar a few other ways to avoid it which is not a regular thing among champs, even if he dies meaning an even trade at worst his normal abilities, passive, and build paths make him able to compete with ADCs in fights without his ult. Lets not forget he will often have some of the highest farm and lowest deaths because of his safety and free farm capacity. He can also obliterate towers and split push like a boss and you can't send just one person to stop him because they will die. His lack of reliance on crits to succeed but his ability to heavily spike off of just an IE is also a problem for both his dueling capacity and ult dmg.

XtremeyMay 14, 20151 votes

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Hardly. Beyond his ult already letting him guarantee a kill against anyone without Zhongya/GA, bar a few other ways to avoid it which is not a regular thing among champs

stopped reading right there. it takes 0.75 seconds before he comes out of invulnrability. Thats a lot of time for you or your teammates to prepare yourselves to use a cc ability, which you should have out of the 20 abilities on your team.

XengreMay 15, 20151 votes

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stopped reading right there. it takes 0.75 seconds before he comes out of invulnrability. Thats a lot of time for you or your teammates to prepare yourselves to use a cc ability, which you should have out of the 20 abilities on your team.

Um... in the average worst case scenario he dies to CC as he takes half your health and the ult + ignite finish you while he dies. He can grab a QSS, Hexdrinker, etc. so that he does not instantly die during the period of burst in duels and in team fights he just has to find an opportunity so that this will not occur which is not all that hard, else champs like Yi and Katarina would simply be 100% unviable. A great deal of his damage comes out instantly, you know meaning he can deal it as he gets CC'd. He can also simply get on you and force you to blow CC which he can then dodge with his ult. If you intend to wait out his ult you will just die in the process as he has no real issues killing a target without his ult, particularly by mid and late game.

Due to his ability to uber farm and very potent/safe early game he also tends to be ahead in itemization then most other champs assuming competent player with said champ. This only reinforces the above.

SolaxoMay 13, 20157 votes

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Zed because he's squishy. Kalista because she doesn't need it. LeBlanc because... well, I have no idea man. So much escape potential and just shreds people's health pools.

Sona was squishy and they nerfed her several times. Your point?

Shroom JunkieMay 13, 20152 votes

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Sona was squishy and they nerfed her several times. Your point?

Because she has a major kit. Sustain for her ENTIRE group through one spell, can essentially half Sivir's ultimate(about half the movement speed, and a smaller AOE size), major poke that can deal 200+ damage to two random enemy players, and all they have to do is be within her sight, and then she has an AOE stun(dance actually, but whatever) that goes in a line. Her kit is pretty huge.

Zed... I will admit, Zed is quite annoying. But the only real problem with him is the fact that he can teleport to his shadow, and that his shadow can attack under tower. Remove that and most the rage is gone, besides sissies who can't stand major poke.

Sozan5May 13, 20156 votes

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Zed because he's squishy.

Zed squishy?

His health at level 1 is 579 (for comparison: Mundo 582, Darius 582, Wukong 577, Nautilus 576) . At least it doesn't increase much per level, but he still maxes out at a solid 1939 (pretty much average for level 18 champion). His Armor is 27 at level 1 (that's 18th best in the game) and maxes out at 86,4 (that's like 30-something best in the game). His Magic Resist scales with levels (the same as for any other champion that have scaling MR).

In other words - Zed starts as a somewhat tanky character and only after many levels (pretty much 12-18) starts being squishy - and even then he's not THAT squishy.

Shroom JunkieMay 13, 20151 votes

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Zed squishy?

His health at level 1 is 579 (for comparison: Mundo 582, Darius 582, Wukong 577, Nautilus 576) . At least it doesn't increase much per level, but he still maxes out at a solid 1939 (pretty much average for level 18 champion). His Armor is 27 at level 1 (that's 18th best in the game) and maxes out at 86,4 (that's like 30-something best in the game). His Magic Resist scales with levels (the same as for any other champion that have scaling MR).

In other words - Zed starts as a somewhat tanky character and only after many levels (pretty much 12-18) starts being squishy - and even then he's not THAT squishy.

Ah, I never put the specifics together. Then, agreed, his base tanky stats should be nerfed, but aside from free towerdives with his W I don't see a problem with him.

Sozan5May 13, 20155 votes

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Ah, I never put the specifics together. Then, agreed, his base tanky stats should be nerfed, but aside from free towerdives with his W I don't see a problem with him.

You see, that's because Zed doesn't have one big problem (like it's usually the case with overtuned champions) - he have minor problems, but a lot of them. To give you a list of his problematic strengths:

High base stats, especially in defense (covered above).
Huge steroid on his W.
Safe and strong poke (he can actually his you with full damage basic ability rotation from 650 range).
Ability to farm under turret.
Great waveclear.
Relatively safe assassination pattern.
Great damage.
Good mobility.

Now, neither of those strengths is huge. Hell, he isn't really best champion in any of those things... However, he lacks distinctive weaknesses while being good or very good in many areas. There are many things that can be nerfed to make him less overbearing without making him just weak.

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20151 votes

Kalista needs to be nerfed. An answer to both Zed and LB- Diana Chogath I wreck them everytime with these two.

Red FrostravenMay 13, 20151 votes

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Kalista needs to be nerfed. An answer to both Zed and LB- I wreck them everytime with these two.

How do you hit with your Diana Q -- and what do you do when she teleports into you, away from your Q, and then teleport away after dealing 1000 damage in 0.20 seconds -- far faster than your reaction + decisionmaking + input time? You have no Q, but she can still teleport away one more time, so R is useless.

ItzVRTXMay 13, 20153 votes

as other people have said zed and kalista have flaws. Leblanc on the other hand takes very big counter picks and shes basically useless. its not hard, a maokai, morg, hell even a vi if she can ult the right person. you just gotta know how to play against her and its easy peezy.

SpinCycleMKVMay 13, 20154 votes

When talking about playing against Leblanc we don't mean your fellow Bronze Vs playing her.

Eraest97May 13, 20152 votes

What does it matter what his rank is? He is bring up a point that Leblanc can be countered. I would say that she doesn't have a huge amount of counter picks, but she can be countered.

Goodest GamerMay 13, 20151 votes

you cant counter leblanc. there isnt a single spell that can counter her. there are no items to counter her. its al about skill in going even with her. u dont win lane vs her if both of you are equal skill. vsing leblanc is to see how much farm u can get before she 1 shots u and steamrolls the game. she is cancer and plat and under dont know how to maximize her retarded skillset.

SnugglePuggle94May 13, 20151 votes

Yup. I destroy LB and Zed with Diana and Cho. Easy peasy. Also, if she is using her ult, target her. Her stats won't show up on her double, so you can keep going and get the right one to kill.

Remlap1223May 13, 20154 votes

Really? You don't know?

I can think of a billion reasons.

All of them involve muhespurts and #LCSpigblayz.

IcyPepperMay 13, 20153 votes

AHEM, good sir! I will assure you that in fact it is #LC$PIGBLAYZ

Remlap1223May 13, 20153 votes

OF COURSE! HOW COULD I FORGET THE $$$$!

TheLuminosityMay 13, 20152 votes

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IDFK Why Zed, Kalista, and Leblanc have not been gutted yet.

Because the only messed up champion is LeBlanc. also Zed and Kalista are in a good place right now maybe?

Rand0mH3r0XMay 13, 20151 votes

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IDFK Why Zed, Kalista, and Leblanc have not been gutted yet.

Then buff Ahri, Katarina, Fizz and Yas, right?

BLUESMay 14, 20151 votes

They took opinions on Leblanc two years ago. Like an actual real survey. Most people preferred Leblanc the way she was. They were going to completely change her power curve and tweak a few of her abilities. We, the community, didn't gut Leblanc.

Zed and Kalista? No idea.

MatezoideMay 13, 201513 votes

Thats the magic with LeBlanc, Zed and others.

If you mess up, you die. If they mess up, they jump away with zero effort.

Counterplay!

TrumpetMay 13, 20154 votes

That's just flat out false.

Zed needs to poke before an engage and you have long windows of opportunity to mess with him afterwards (15ish seconds). So any self respecting mage would lay down their CC and counterpoke. A lot of the problems people face when playing against Zed is that they are too scared to fight him.

The thing is people don't respect Zed (and other assassins) when they lane against him and instead fear him. Which alters their play pattern in a negative way. What I mean by respect is going for trades, and respecting the amount of damage he can put on you and you can put on him.

In my experiences with Zed when I initiate anything my opponent backs off, then when my shadow is down they are still playing passive. The thing is, it doesn't work, you need to spar with him; which is something in my experience most people don't do.

So there is counterplay there and it is not this over simplification that you have came up with.

Father CthulhuMay 13, 20152 votes

One of the most important thing in laning is knowing your opponent. People assume zed is always strong at every second, where most of his power rests in his shadow, which has a 18 second cooldown at lvl 1, turning into 16 if he hits his E on you. (also the last ability he max's) So you have a whole window of 16, maybe 18 seconds to bully him back or all-in him if you have the damage. Most Zed's throw there shadow out on CD for the poke or gap closer. All it takes is BEING AWARE. Did he just use shadow? Yes? Lets poke him and bully for a bit. Has it been around 16 seconds? Yes? Lets back off and farm for a bit.

Icestar1186May 14, 20151 votes

Alternately: Are you Heimer? If yes, sit in the middle of your turrets and farm. If he's dumb enough to try to all-in you, E him and walk off while he takes a ton of damage from your turrets.

AnidanMay 14, 20151 votes

I made a Zed rage once while I was playing Heimerdinger. It was great. He couldn't all-in me, he couldn't assassinate anyone on my team because of me... Then someone asked him how he lost lane knowing the he would flip out, and Zed went berserk. More than once after laning phase he tried to ult me only for me to E his face, throw ult rockets and ignite then Zhonya's. He wanted the revenge that he never got.

I know it really shouldn't be one of my best memories of League, but it really is. I harbor no hatred of the guy who played Zed, but I hate Zed just enough to like to see them rage.

MatezoideMay 13, 20152 votes

With mess up i mean stuff like overcomiting or being caught out, not laning.

Also it wasnt too serious of a remark geez lol

TrumpetMay 13, 20151 votes

I just wanted to make sure that people know there are things you can do against Zed but many people are too scared to do them. Because some people would believe your initial post and think there is literally nothing they can do against assassins.

I appreciate the discussion, so take an upvote.

AnidanMay 14, 20151 votes

My problem with Zed isn't a fear of going in on him (I can go HAM on anyone -- I can and have gone all-out on freaking Volibear in a 1v1 during laning phase as top Yi), but it's that he can keep up his harass more than I can counter-poke for a good chunk of the laning phase if I'm not a mana-less champion. This is not to say he still can't be beat, because he can, but that's one of my main problems. The other being that if I push him to tower and try to roam, he can counter-push and roam for a countergank, or simply shove lane and work on taking my tower extremely rapidly. No matter what you do he has a great answer to you.

Again, this is not to say he has no counterplay, but he is very annoying to go up against during laning.

FourVsFiveMay 13, 20155 votes

Seen a LB play with cleanse she just laughed all game at are attempts of getting her.

YfrappefortMay 13, 20151 votes

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Seen a LB play with cleanse she just laughed all game at are attempts of getting her.

Faker also plays her with flash/cleanse, cause you know, she's not already hard enough to lock down and kill.

N30NP4NDAMay 13, 20152 votes

Logged in just to downvote.

IcyPepperMay 13, 20156 votes

Love to hear what you have to say in her defense.

Like, is she not mobile? Because this thread only makes fun of her mobility. Come on, I'd like to hear it :3

N30NP4NDAMay 13, 20152 votes

This is just a thread bitching about Leblanc, and i'm sick of them.

IcyPepperMay 13, 20152 votes

It's a satirical joke. You should have just closed out and forgot about it if you didn't care for it.

Logging in specifically to downvote, then leaving a comment that you did so, leaves an even more immature impression than a stupid joke thread. Honestly, I'm sick of people not taking jokes then bitching about said joke. Ironic, huh?

N30NP4NDAMay 14, 20151 votes

If it's a joke post it in the correct board, as of now this is a post regarding the balance of Leblanc.

"Never posting in the right board"

KieferrMay 13, 20152 votes

Give me a break. Leblanc has been sitting in the gutter for months after her silence was removed. Now she's found popularity again, and people already want her nerfed?

Father CthulhuMay 13, 20155 votes

She's been strong for almost an entire year wtf are you talking about.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 13, 20151 votes

ludens made assassins broken as shit mid lane its pretty funny how broken that item is.

EvilRabbittMay 13, 20151 votes

Ah DFG, you have been forgotten so soon? I miss you, #LoveDFG.

Goodest GamerMay 13, 20152 votes

zhonyas and dfg just make nearly every single ap champion broken as shit. dfgs gone, i hope zhonyas next. maybe then will ap champions stop abusing this shit .

lDontLiftIcarryMay 13, 20151 votes

nah dfg was only good on champions with high burst damage it just made the burst higher.

It wasnt good on champions with dot or duration over X time damage. ludens is literally viable on every ap Even the shit ones like malz can buy it and it just does so much damage in a 5v5 its fucking retarded. you get like 3-5 procs in a teamfight. and thats ontop of the AP you get from buying it. Like just so broken. At least DFG had a cooldown period and was blocked by BV/spell shield champions