What i dont get about the assassins rework

koshkyra··12 votes·800 views

When old LeBlanc had to do a full rotation at short range to burst a squishy it was considered "unhealthy" and they reworked her to where she has to die before getting her burst off, and needs to buy Gunblade+LichBane to be able to burst a target down.

When current Talon/Nocturne/Draven (dravens an assassin at this point) AA you once and kill you, theres apparentally nothing wrong with that and considered balanced, while LeBlanc is constantly complained about.

"omg she just has to hit her global chain and then i die! WTF rito nerf!" (This doesnt actually happen)

Yet you never hear

"Nocturne just jumped across 1/5 of the map and blinded my entire team, then oneshot me with an AA! WTF!"

Oh well, guess ill continue to die before trying to Proc my Sigil Of Malice on the enemy carry. Keep nerfing her please.

27 Comments

Lebłanc Bot5 votes

I wonder that to. Many others can oneshot and it feels unfair that we don't have an assassin that came from an assassin rework plz change her back riot !

Edge of Daybreak5 votes

K let's break this mage main bs down. BTW gonna add this in as a general statement to anyone. Yes duskblade is stupid but this is what happens when we gut ad assassin kits this hard riot has to make insane items like this so they can actually function.

When old LeBlanc had to do a full rotation at short range to burst a squishy it was considered "unhealthy" and they reworked her to where she has to die before getting her burst off, and needs to buy Gunblade+LichBane to be able to burst a target down.

Short compared to other ap champions sure but it wasn't that short especially considering she has a dash and her burst was fast.

They reworked her because most people hated playing against her and they have no avenues to buff her when he playstyle is oh hi im here and you are now dead.

When current Talon/Nocturne/Draven (dravens an assassin at this point) AA you once and kill you, theres apparentally nothing wrong with that and considered balanced, while LeBlanc is constantly complained about.

This literally isn't happening which is why no one is complaining about it. You won't see complaints about hyperbole people complain about reality. In reality they all use most of their kit when killing you unless they are insanely fed which riot doesn't balance around. People have only really complained about draven. Recently most people on this forum who post about leblanc want old leblanc back.

"omg she just has to hit her global chain and then i die! WTF rito nerf!" (This doesnt actually happen)

Good I agree. Now why can we accept that this is bs but you still bothered to type the previous statement?

Yet you never hear

"Nocturne just jumped across 1/5 of the map and blinded my entire team, then oneshot me with an AA! WTF!"\

"(This doesnt actually happen)" I quoted this from a reliable source

Voluug131 votes

This clearly isnt ''mage main BS'' because OP clearly wants Assassin LB and not Mage LB.

Actual Mage mains hate LB because she is 9.9/10 a complete cancer in midlane.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

I saw james the mage and saw he mostly plays mages. I'm not gonna lie some strong assumptions were made.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

She's cancer in both iterations.

Voluug134 votes

"Nocturne just jumped across 1/5 of the map and blinded my entire team, then oneshot me with an AA! WTF!"

Because Nocturne cant oneshot you with an AA unless he is massively fed and builds completly glass cannon. Also the 1 time out of 10000 that he goes laning he is kinda crappy at it, while LB had all her power in completly shutting down whoever poor victim tried to lane against her.

On topic, because LB has a shitload of independant mobility and her burst pattern was absolutely obnoxious in lane, while those you mentioned either are inmobile, or dive in to not blink back.

The real problem is that LB is stuck in a terrible underlying champion design, of which there are two outcomes, both which Riot doesnt want.

koshkyra2 votes

Nocturne cant oneshot you with an AA unless he is massively ahead

item 3078 item 3087 item 3147 disagree.

Voluug133 votes

That is massively fed. Trinity and DB are not cheap items at all. Specially on jungle gold? That is basically lategame, and it depends 100% on Noc not being the only frontline, because otherwise he melts and deprives his team of a frontline.

koshkyra1 votes

are you trying to imply that i said this was early game? because i never did

If you dont have 3 items lategame, then clearly youre too behind to oneshot someone. That is never going to happen.

ZT Xperimentor4 votes

Riot has a similar bias with mages, they had their will of the ancients removed because 'burst healing is unhealthy', meanwhile marksmen can heal a major chunk of their health with every critical hit on lifesteal. Which they don't even need to build, thanks to the mastery rework. At least mages were gated by mana and cooldowns, ontop of most spells being dodgable; unlike auto-attacks being unavoidable as well as spamable.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

No, Will of the Ancients was removed because it could never be strong without Vlad abusing it. Even if it gave only Mana, Vlad would abuse it.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

So one champion was a problem but he got reworked. However the bloodlust mastery was abused by the majority of marksmen, both before & after it's rework.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

He got reworked, and yet would still continue to abuse it, because no Vlad player would pass up 15% increased healing based on damage. Spellvamp is extremely broken on Vlad, and will continue to be.

And, no? Bloodlust isn't being abused, because they're the ones meant to use it. Even then, you're lying if you're trying to tell me that Bloodlust as it is now, is the same level of BS it was before.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Yet there's no cap on lifesteal, scales with critical hits and attack speed, and it's immediate. At least vladimir's abilities cost health, have noticeably longer cast animations, and have cooldowns. Just because they aren't meant to use it, doesn't mean they won't; just ask ezreal.

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

The main difference is that Leblanc get's an near-instant out after doing so, instead of committing like those others you listed. And Draven is not assassin, he's equally complained about, but he's not an assassin.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

yeah... and he's complained about cause he deal so much without being an assassin

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

He also has no mobility, so he has to run at you from a bush to catch you unaware. Proper positioning in teamfights, with focus on him, is easily solved.

Rainfall3 votes

leblanc can deal tons of damage without having to commit thats the diference between her and the rest of the champions you listed,they dont have zhonyas and they cant blink back 10000 units away in 0.1 seconds.

Noblewind3 votes

Talon's rotation is far more fair to play against than before, not really debatable. Yes it's still fast when used correctly but not 0.2 seconds like before.

Leblanc was done poorly, has been recognized and explained several times that she was done poorly, so not sure what's not to get about that.

Nocturne was not a part of the rework whatsoever, and is clearly weak and telegraphed outside of having his ult available, and even then it can be prepared for and countered. Draven is not an assassin and was also not apart of this rework.

What an odd and nonsensical way to say "I'm not happy with the state of LeBlanc", like I cringed reading this. She is going to be changed, everybody knows this, no?

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Talon's rotation is far more fair to play against than before, not really debatable. Yes it's still fast when used correctly but not 0.2 seconds like before.

Leblanc was done poorly, has been recognized and explained several times that she was done poorly, so not sure what's not to get about that.

Nocturne was not a part of the rework whatsoever, and is clearly weak and telegraphed outside of having his ult available, and even then it can be prepared for and countered. Draven is not an assassin and was also not apart of this rework.

What an odd and nonsensical way to say "I'm not happy with the state of LeBlanc", like I cringed reading this. She is going to be changed, everybody knows this, no?

Talon's rotation is fucking bullshit if he manages to E+R over a wall.

People say it's not enough to oneshot when started that way, but I did it to an 0/0 jungle Graves when I was 0/0.

E+R+auto+Qcrit+auto (Q is an auto reset and can be used to animation cancel the first auto)+W and you're dead. Ignite for bonus lols, or for level 6 where that's not quite enough damage.

And then once he gets fed R+Q+auto+W basically kills you.

Cocho2 votes

Even then lb is still stronger than all of them early and is still one of the top midlaners in higher elos

Attticus Finch2 votes

So this thread doesn't really have anything to do with the assassin rework, right? It's just a "buff leblanc" thread?

koshkyra2 votes

Two things.

  1. If you could point out where i suggested LeBlanc should be buffed, thatd be great
  2. This is complaining about assassins after the rework. Unless i somehow forgot to mention Nocturne, Talon, and Draven.
LordGeovanni1 votes

ive seen leblanc kill people with q and w only being even.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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ive seen leblanc kill people with q and w only being even.

I've seen a Xin die from a single E (both procs, because it was almost impossible for someone without a directional dash to get away from it) when she was OP.

Skorch1 votes

A few things, No matter who is one shotting you, people are complaining about it. Where you not here like 1 month ago where there were like 15 draven posts on the front page daily.

Leblancs old design WAS unhealthy. Her new one needs work, and is still pretty strong, but it is relatively healthier.

Nocturne is bad... honestly. No one complains about Nocturne because (unless im living under a rock) no one plays him, hes not good, hes no where near meta. Dont get me wrong Nocturne is one of my favorite champions from an thematic point of view. But hes just not good. Half of the time its not "Nocturne just jumped across 1/5 of the map and blinded my entire team, then oneshot me with an AA! WTF!" Its "Nocturne just jumped across 1/5 of the map and blinded the entire team, only to instantly die and feed whoever he jumped on. AND HIS WISPY TAIL STILL ISNT EVEN UPDATED, LIKE COME ON SINCE ASOL RIOT HAS BEEN UPDATING TAIL PHYSICS, NOCTURNE HAS ONE OF THE COOLEST THEMES AND HIS TAIL IS STILL PIXELATED WONKINESS, WTH RIOT.

I feel very strongly about Nocturne.

The Deckowner1 votes

nocturne doesn't really oneshot people unless he is super fed.

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