I cannot even 1v1 a 3-7-2 Vayne with Rageblade + Blade of the Ruined King as a 6-1-5 Quinn with Infinity Edge, Shiv, and Phantom Dancer, because the semi-permanent stealth doesn't provide enough window to attack her.
There's no reason she should be in this state.
OneMustFall2 votesVayne is mid tier at best. Let's stop the hyperbole.
Sett a trap1 votesThen you’re bad rofl. I play top a lot, I know Quinn’s damage. You should be able to ambush vayne and burst her. Also, vayne is a hyper scaling late game duelist.
What did you expect?
kingDeDeDarius4 votesWhat part of 3-7-2 did you miss? Quin was fed, vayne was far behind. Even if quin was playing g with the intelligence of a monkey, she should have won a 1v1. Stop trying to defend broke bs like this current iteration of vayne. We all know she's busted
kingDeDeDarius1 votesAnd your name hints at some very strong bias.
Sett a trap1 votesWhat part of 3-7-2 did you miss? Quin was fed, vayne was far behind. Even if quin was playing g with the intelligence of a monkey, she should have won a 1v1. Stop trying to defend broke bs like this current iteration of vayne. We all know she's busted
My highest mastery is riven.
Quinn does win 1v1 if she’s fed, I can’t survive Quinn combos as riven. I’ve fucked up games. As a vayne main, there’s not much you can do if you get jumped. You take the initial hit and R+Q to wait out the blind, but you’re already at half HP. One crit and you’re dead.
Stop spouting irrational non sense over things you have no clue about.
Don’t even make be bring rank into this.
Yenn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prestige Vayne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rsJO06NU,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-14T22:43:18.264+0000)
My highest mastery is riven.
Quinn does win 1v1 if she’s fed, I can’t survive Quinn combos as riven. I’ve fucked up games. As a vayne main, there’s not much you can do if you get jumped. You take the initial hit and R+Q to wait out the blind, but you’re already at half HP. One crit and you’re dead.
Stop spouting irrational non sense over things you have no clue about.
Don’t even make be bring rank into this.
You don't know this match up at all. You don't take the initial hit, and Vayne wins because she prevents me from doing a full combo, on top of also drawing my partial combo out over a long period with Tumble, giving her plenty of opportunity to cover my damage with life steal.
Yes, if the Vayne is garbage and doesn't interrupt my combo, I will kill her quickly with an AA + E + AA + Q + multiple AAs, but that doesn't realistically ever happen unless it's auto-filled. Quinn loses a duel if her combo doesn't get a kill.
The tl;dr of why Quinn doesn't win is that I need four Harrier procs to kill her (or really any ADC): one from ult dropping, one from E, one from Q, and one passively after Q. She can deny both my first and last one with Tumble, as well as kite me.
When I auto attack out of my ult, there's a brief delay caused by my ult dropping. If she tumbles during the animation, she gets marked by it, but I don't get the auto off. She can then come out of Tumble beyond my attack range and start kiting me backwards, because she has a longer attack range and higher movement speed than I do (and probably BotRK active) unless I have Harrier procced, which I don't right now. I have to Vault her, which overwrites and wastes my mark from dropping ult.
We can trade two hits before she Tumbles again, and this time, she usually breaks stealth right on top of me. I need to blind her to get my second Harrier proc, and she can continue to attack me while blinded. I've already lost at this point, because Vayne has significantly higher sustained damage, blind isn't helping me avoid any of it, and my burst window is over.
If she's really behind and I can still potentially kill her with only three marks, her Tumble comes off cooldown at the same time as the third mark goes up, and she can just wait it out and then auto + Condemn me out of range when the stealth runs out, at which point I'll be out of range and no longer have the movement speed from Harrier, and she can stay at the edge of my range and run me down once the mark drops off.
She also gets a slight advantage every time she comes out of tumble, because I have to guess at where she's going to come out of stealth at, and then factor in reaction time and movement time to get in range. If there are no other targets around, I can attack move to remove the delay for reaction time, but then she can drop her ward on me as she's coming out of stealth and my attack will go to the ward, and I'll lose more time on the wasted auto than I would reacting.
Honestly, with only 2 items (Rageblade+Blade of Ruined King) and that crazy 1-2 seconds cd on Q, Vayne right now is broken in mid-game team fight (around 20 minutes into the game). No matter how she falls behind in laning phase, she comes back fed either by continuing farming after 14 mins or by one single team fight. I couldn't agree more with the part "the semi-permanent stealth doesn't provide enough window to attack her" and sometimes she went into stealth right before you can land any AA or abilities.
In the strongest possible terms, I sincerely urge Riot to reconsider and to nerf Vayne ASAP. Otherwise, I will have to ban her every single game.
Honestly, with only 2 items (Rageblade+Blade of Ruined King) and that crazy 1-2 seconds cd on Q, Vayne right now is broken in mid-game team fight (around 20 minutes into the game). No matter how she falls behind in laning phase, she comes back fed either by continuing farming after 14 mins or by one single team fight. I couldn't agree more with the part "the semi-permanent stealth doesn't provide enough window to attack her" and sometimes she went into stealth right before you can land any AA or abilities.
In the strongest possible terms, I sincerely urge Riot to reconsider and to nerf Vayne ASAP. Otherwise, I will have to ban her every single game.
