Liss early mana costs

Covert Ops Gnar·Feb 4, 2017·2 votes·585 views

85 mana lvl 1-5 Q lul

0-65 mana cost lvl 1 lul

tl:dr lower Q mana cost to make her viable. 65 mana is appropriate.

9 Comments

PrinceOfStormsFeb 4, 20172 votes

The difference between Liss and most of the other champions you named is that Liss has a passive that reduces her mana consumption.

Covert Ops GnarFeb 4, 20171 votes

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The difference between Liss and most of the other champions you named is that Liss has a passive that reduces her mana consumption.

o shit a free spell every 20 seconds where do i sign up?

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 4, 20171 votes

No one told you to spam the ability every time it comes off cooldown. Learn to know whether is it worth or not to poke, especially when it has a chance of it missing.

Covert Ops GnarFeb 4, 20171 votes

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BeatzBoyFTWFeb 4, 20171 votes

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But any other fucking mid laner can spam their abilities and it's no problem?

gtfo silver. Use your fucking brain

You mean other mid champions who has either self-mana recovering TwistedFate Swain , certain abilities that doesn't do heavy single quick burst damage at early ranks AurelionSol , or champions with abilities that has to require a combo to do as much damage as 1st rank abilities' average damage Anivia ?

Lissandra's Q (while obviously being maxed first) has a lot of good advantages to it:

high damage even at early ranks.
a threat to melee champions who comes close for cs (reason why she's also a viable top laner)
does same damage to all enemies hit by it.
powerful at 1v1 if skilled in utilizing skillshots (since it slows enemies too if hit first)
85 mana at all ranks, so at late game, this doesn't matter a lot.

My advice? Play some actual Lissandra games & judge then before you run your mouth, which has more expertise in insulting rather than giving out good points.

What's more ironic is that you're Unranked to begin with.

Covert Ops GnarFeb 4, 20171 votes

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You mean other mid champions who has either self-mana recovering , certain abilities that doesn't do heavy single quick burst damage at early ranks , or champions with abilities that has to require a combo to do as much damage as 1st rank abilities' average damage ?

Lissandra's Q (while obviously being maxed first) has a lot of good advantages to it:

high damage even at early ranks.

a threat to melee champions who comes close for cs (reason why she's also a viable top laner)

does same damage to all enemies hit by it.

powerful at 1v1 if skilled in utilizing skillshots (since it slows enemies too if hit first)

85 mana at all ranks, so at late game, this doesn't matter a lot.

My advice? Play some actual Lissandra games & judge then before you run your mouth, which has more expertise in insulting rather than giving out good points.

What's more ironic is that you're Unranked to begin with.

Damage of ashe utility of ashe

it's the fucking ashe of top/mid lane with retarded mana costs

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 4, 20171 votes

And the difference is one deals DPS/utility while the other deals instant AoE burst/utility.

One buys Essence Reaver at mid-late game to cover up her mana problems, while the other buys Morellonomicon or Rod of Ages at mid-late game to cover up her mana cost.

One deals DPS/utility to each individuals (3 with runaans), while the other has the potential to burst all enemies in an area while having the utility to do so as well.

Conclusion: You can't compare champions like that. Otherwise, why am I not seeing a single player bringing Ashe top or mid, especially competitive matches?

Zane ZephyrFeb 4, 20171 votes

Katarina having a 65 mana cost at level 1

that's where I stop taking you seriously (which implies I ever initially did)

CatastropFeb 4, 20171 votes

The actual mana cost on Q is hardly a problem, her passive is what needs to be looked at because it pretty much stops being relevant once I get any of the following; item 3010 item 1056 x2 item 3802 .

Just changing the mana cost to scale up to 85 through ranks, and giving her a better and more intuitive passive would be way better than just lowering the mana cost on Q.