Photos's ChampUp suggestions: a more "jester-y" approach to Shaco

Photos of Ghosts··3 votes·1,638 views

Shaco's lore states that "he jests you to death and laughs afterwards", not that he bursts you down with one E. I suggest thus to remove the E, add mobility and short CC, move all the burst on AP Shaco, all the DPS on AD Shaco, and a reset on kill.

Passive - jumpscare: enemy champions and monsters that haven't been disabled for 10 seconds are feared for 0.5s the next time Shaco damages them. When Shaco performs a jumpscare, his next 5 autoattacks deal 10% more damage and slow for 20%-ish

Q: Deceive. Stealth duration unchanged. 20% speed boost for the whole duration. Leaving stealth fears enemies for 1s in a 200/250/300/350/400 radius area, if stealth is left with an autoattack the target is stunned for 0.5s. No more guaranteed crit. 30% AP ratio on first auto in the 5 seconds after leaving stealth. W: Jack in a box. Boxes now deal 50-150 damage in an area upon springin up (70% AP ratio). 30% bonus ad ratio on dps. Flee duration unchanged. E: Hallucinate: cast with a "vector skillshot" like Rumble's or Viktor's. Shaco blinks at the starting point and a clone at the ending point, and a damaging smoke corridor appears in between (50% AP ratio?). The clone can be controlled but acts randomly on its own (using spells and summoner spells) if not given orders. HE HAS SHACO's BUFFS. 20 sec CD. EDIT: 20 sec minus CDR... that's bullshit. 30 sec. R: 2 seconds of true stealth, then basically trickster's glass if targeted on ally, while if self-targeted gives 5 total seconds of true stealth. Then great movespeed upon leaving state (+60%?). Passive is a reset on cooldowns and jumpscares.

Shaco mains, tell me what you think about it.

EDIT: I jst thought that adding a couple seconds of true stealth, or more if self targeted, would be neat.

10 Comments

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

bump :c

Bârd2 votes

Generally, I like it.

However, there is a bit too much lockdown for shaco here

passive: 0.5 s Q: 1 s fear, 0.5 s stun W: Up to 1.5 s fear

Total of 3.5 seconds lockdown on a damage based champion is too much

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Bear in mind that he loses his E burst completely. He's still more damage based than Braum, but not as much as Rengar.

Shanko1 votes

Is this supposed to be a buff or a nerf? to me personally it's sounding a bit on the strong side. All in all I love the ideas, the whole 'jump scare' thing is a lovely idea, although I don't know anyone who isn't already spooked when a Shaco unstealths right behind them. xD His boxes at first glance look to be rather strong, personally I feel the only thing they need was a QoL change, something similar to Zyra's plants would be nice. Not quite sure how I feel about Hallucinate, would have to see it in action. Ultimate sounds lovely, I've always loved the idea of tricksters glass and I feel this would be a great way to keep it in the game. It would be nice to see a Shaco rework, however I would prefer he stays out of the spotlight xD Well done.

Rakkasei1 votes

I'm a Shaco main and i'd love this rework happen :) especially for E/R, even if i didnt really understand what does E do (approximately only)

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Basically current R is moved to E and has a lower cooldown. (would heavily buff splitpush Shaco, but would completely remove instakill Shaco, so why not) Now, instead of just having the two pop side to side, you cast a vector like Viktor's and you appear at the beginning and your clone at the end, and in the middle a puff of damaging smoke appears.

OprahWlNfree1 votes

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Photos of Ghosts1 votes

I'm not making him AP, I'm making him not a oneshotter. He would still be able to kill any squishie 1v1, but not in .3 secs, but instead in 4 full seconds.

ShadedEve1 votes

Shaco is by far my favorite champion, and I understand him decently enough. While I do like some of your thoughts, on this, I honestly cannot condone a statement like what you said. 4 seconds to kill a champ is too long. Put him against any adc in a straight up fight, and he will be dead. You could argue that he has stealth, but pinks are a thing. I understand the frustration that comes with Shaco just instagibbing you, but he is not the champion on the top of my list of "Who do we want to not be able to destroy you in .1 seconds flat?" That's reserved for like Akali, Zed, Kat, Rengo, etc.

That's not to say that I don't like the way you are thinking with making his kit a bit more lore friendly, I just don't think, if a change were to happen, this isn't necessarily the way to go, though many aspects are things I would really love to see in game.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

As I said, he'd have two stealth abilities, his ult giving him true stealth, and he'd have a total of 3 or more seconds of lockdown. I'm all for negative feedback, I just wanted to point out that a basic answer to your criticism lies in the other criticisms you can see in the comments below :D

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