Hear me out: Tanks are fine at the moment

DeusVult··2 votes·331 views

Its that in the circle of Tank>assassins>marksmen>Tanks, Assassins are too weak and marksmen are too strong right now.

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Tanks have gone from being a stat check class to having more "windows of power." Tanks have always been about peeling for your team, allowing your ADC and APC to do damage. So it makes sense that tanks would want to build item 3190 item 3109 since they were changed to be more beneficial to tankier champs this patch, as it makes it easier for them to help peel and protect their team.

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The problem is that having all of this power in tanks being able to peel for their team in terms of shields and damage redirection, is that it makes marksmen stronger. And Marksmen, all memes aside, have been strong for a long time. There is not a patch or class update that Marksmen do not emerge more powerful than the previous one. In the tank update, they had multiple items buffed for them, and item 3026 now belongs to them. All of the %damage mitigation items belong to marksmen. (item 3046 item 3109 mark, and while not complete mitigation, item 3812 allows them to survive burst.) Combined with ADCs damage output due to multiplicative scaling and how lifesteal works with that, plus the amount of shields and % damage mitigation available to them, you now have a 1600 no resists ADC drain-tanking multiple champions damage combos.

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And then we see assassins, the counters to ADCs. Their old play style of bursting 100-0 with no time to react was toxic to many in league, but in fact it was vital. It meant that ADCs had to position correctly in order to pump out their damage. ATM, there is no reason to play assassins, especially AD ones. Unless you are extremely fed on Zed Talon , you have no hope of killing an ADC lategame through their item 3812 item 3026 and allies item 3109 item 3190 and their summoner 7. And since you cannot do your job to kill them, their is no reason to play them. Without that corner of the tanks>assassins>marksmen triangle, marksmen have nothing to worry about past 25-30 minutes.

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Riot, ADCs need far less access to %damage mitigation, a nerf to their survivability items (mainly for ranged only), a change to the way lifesteal works on them. Assassins needs buffs, and items to help them deal with shields. Tanks are fine, but currently its who can tank more from the opponent ADC while peeling for their own, and that team wins.

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Ralanr1 votes

So basically, ADCs need to be better balanced around dealing with the delayed burst of assassins than they are now?

DeusVult1 votes

Either assassins need major buffs so that they can counter ADCs and you dont see things like a twitch/Draven/Cait killing a Zed/leblanc/talon before they can drop their full burst, and then said ADC surviving that burst.

And ADCs need a nerf across the board in terms of how much survivability they can stack on themselves while still going "glass cannon"

Variks the Loyal1 votes

Tanks have always been about peeling for your team

Gonna stop you right there, no they have not.

Some tanks are. But there's an entire class of Tank (Vanguard) that is specifically _not _ about peeling. Sejuani Sion Malphite Rammus Leona

DeusVult1 votes

Initiating and locking up the enemy team is still peeling, just not in the usual way. If you lock up their whole team , or most of it, you are allowing your backline to free fire.

So you're doing the same thing that other tanks do, which is trying to allow your ADC and APC to free fire.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

That's not peeling.

Think of the word. Peeling. It specifically involves getting enemies off of your allies, like peeling a rind off of an orange.

Engaging with CC is different than using CC to peel.

Ahristocats1 votes

tanks are all fine

the one who aren't are poppy maokai nautilus, the 3 that were nerfed before the tank update

nautilus has 44% win rate maokai rework was fcking trash, the one who made it should really stop designing poppy just needs her niche to be buffed (countering dashes)

Critmaster Garen1 votes

bruisers, most tanks and assassins are too weak. there are like one or two tanks like zac who are really strong, and the rest is straight up garbage and cant really survive anymore with the more powerful marksmen, their buffed itemization and the generally nerfed defensive items.

yes, we have a problem when its currently marksmen > fighters, assassins, tanks.

like most fighters are literally regulated to second supports right now, since they cant take on marksmen anymore, even when theyre out of position. so theyre forced to buy item 3193 item 3071 item 3109 item 3190 just to support their own marksman instead of being able to carry thmselves.

DeusVult1 votes

You are thinking of tanks, not bruisers

Bruisers still try to go in and dump damage, but most bruisers are taken now in order to create split push pressure. And their build, every game, is Boots + item 3071 item 3748 item 3193 item 3026 . The only time they get to change their build is if they get to late game and can buy a 5th (6th) item.

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