EDIT: Sourced from LoLKing; evidently other websites have his banrate sitting at 45% in higher ELOs while his winrate climbs to a 47% even; this serves only to reinforce my point that him being banned right now has nothing to do with his power.
Meep Man29 votesZed bans come from people's immature perception of Zed and how he is basically better than everyone at everything in their eyes, whether it be poke or assassinating a target. People would much rather use a ban on him than increase their chances of winning by banning someone that either counters their team composition or is much more powerful than Zed at the time.
I honestly doubt many people would still play Zed now, even if he wasn't banned since he has been denied from the hands of his mains for so long. They are very likely rusty at him.
EndlessSorcerer63 votesI just find Zed annoying to play against and don't trust my team not to feed him. Considering how popular he is, you stand a good chance at banning out a one-trick Zed player too.
That said, Yasuo has the same qualities and I find he is more aggravating and popular.
It Hertz When IP63 votesI switched my mid ban of choice to Yas only because he's easier to not suck with. Zed at least has a decently high skill floor; Yasuo could be played by a drooling idiot and still do well.
Source: I tried playing Yas. Did well.
Lauchmelder23 votes+1 for the self burn
TequilaZombie4 votesI played Yas two times and failed miserably. I'm afraid to discover what I am if a drooling idiot can do well.
It Hertz When IP3 votesDrunk?
All joking aside, you might have just had the bad luck to get counterpicked. Or faced someone who hates Yasuo enough to practice facing him all the time.
TequilaZombie2 votesDrunk
Well, it fits with my name, so good enough.
Very Hard Engage8 voteswhen im mid, ill usually ban lucian. when im in any other position, ill ban zed. this is strictly because i dont trust my mid laner not to feed against a zed pick. when i play mid i can handle my own against zed and play accordingly others can not.
by banning zed you can have a non oppressive lane, if you want someone like veigar for example, zed is the perfect tool to constantly shove him off and prevent him from farming. by banning him you now gain access to veigar and a bunch of other mid laners who zed does exceptionally well against.
if you go to champion select(lol counter, champion counter w/e your preference) and look up your mid laner, no other face appears for "weak to .... zed" number 1~3 option against sooooo many champions.
Handin Out Naps4 votesOr you could try this http://champion.gg/champion/Zed/Middle He has positive winrate vs 4 champions lul.
Very Hard Engage6 votesyou forgot to expand the lists, its actually 8
taliyah, AS, vlad, lissandra ???, cass, ryze, syndra, varus.
Handin Out Naps4 votesAS, Vlad, Liss, and Ryze. First 50% isn't positive so cass doesn't count, and i guess you are right about the others because he wins by a .24%. Zed is a really good champ to counter pick with right? Oh yeah and keep banning him to open up that Veigar pick because Zed won that match up 44% of the time.
You should probably try banning something that isn't borderline useless unless you have a high amount of games played and even then he is just mediocre. But I've learned about arguing over Zed with you, it serves no point you will never admit he isn't worth a ban even when you are obviously wrong.
Very Hard Engage3 voteswins games =/= huge lane advantage and or hard counterpick.
im banning zed because i just want a standard farm lane. i hate his over aggressiveness that he brings with him, it always turns into a whip em out fest, have at it, someones feeding or behind.
TFBaam3 votesFARM MID LANES IN 2016 LUL
Very Hard Engage4 votesi know, season 4 grail syndra/ziggs mid is gone. but jeez, you would think there would be something to tone down/stop the all in shenanigans thats going on right now.
EndlessSorcerer12 votesI'm going to assume the Lissandra is partially from players who have heard that she counters him picking her without really knowing the match-up or champion.
Catastrop36 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rJAE0FNr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-09-27T13:31:21.670+0000)
Zed bans come from people's immature perception of Zed and how he is basically better than everyone at everything in their eyes,
No, we recognize he's trash tier, we just don't want him in our games.
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nice table27 voteszed is kind of like blitz used to be, really unfun to play against and a coin toss on whether his useless or broken. people ban him for the unpredictability and unfun factors not cause his "op".
Spaceman5pff10 votesI ban Zed for equal parts not wanting to face him and not wanting him on my team.
Sexy Jack Rabbit18 votesDuh. despite how not strong he is right now, Zed is an absolute annoyance and pain to verse. Not too mention the players are typically arrogant. The same is said about Hecarim and Irelia. They aren't the strongest champions around, but that doesn't stop them from being annoying.
Requiemsfire17 votesMeanwhile with Vayne 49.4% winrate 20% popularity with a 7% banrate or Jinx with a 53% win rate 22% popularity and a 1.2% banrate.
Very Hard Engage13 votesjinx at least gives you the opportunity of weakness/vulnerability that riot likes to claim all champions have.
zed is lacking in that department.
just like galio, except galio actually has a limited resource and cant spam Q from a distance to farm forever from safety to compensate for being melee. zed should have to put himself in the wave to last hit. zed shouldn't have bulk either remove scaling MR and lower his base health.
Astôlfo6 votesUm... you should learn what you're talking about first.
He will never get all CS with just his abilities, not even close. And farming with his abilities = no harass and constantly low Energy.
His only gapcloser outside of his ultimate is his only escape and has a very long cooldown. His ultimate's not an escape really, because it just puts him back at his original location.
Not sure what world you think Zed has bulk lmao
Sexy Jack Rabbit10 votesHe'll never get all the cs, but it will not stop him from getting 90% of it. Not too mention his passive grants him free farm whether he is under tower or not.
Astôlfo5 votesIf he wants to get more than 10% of it, he will have to actually get into melee range. Don't let him get it for free?
Sexy Jack Rabbit9 votes??? I don't think you understood. A good zed player, actually a mediocre Zed player will get 90% of his CS via the use of his abilities. Denying him 1 - 2 minions, while he is denying you up to 5 - 6 is hardly healthy. Stop trying to be that Zed Main who defends their obviously flawed champion.
AramsAreBest8 votesWhere do you see all these good zed mains
Very Hard Engage24 voteslets compare shall we.
lets take ahri an as example, zed vs ahri, pretty standard and popular matchup.
level 1, 514health (dorans 574), 2 health potions, (20.9+9) 30 armor, starts Q with a 7s cd. 334mana 65mana cost. 40 + 35%, 40 +35% true.
vs zed lvl 1, 579 health, 3 health potions, (32+12) 44 MR, starts Q with a 6s cd. 75 energy, 6s cd. 70 damage + 90%
ahri is limited to 5 casts before running out of mana entirely. zed doesn't have that problem. when you factor in length of laning phase regen becomes a factor. before the first back around 8~10minute mark, might be sooner if someone gets shoved out of lane or ganked or easy first blood. ahri has reliably 17 casts. zed has well over 80 potential Q's.
but after factoring in the bonus health potion zed has and MR, zed actually does more damage with his combos than ahri does. fine, w/e.
wouldn't be an issue if zed didn't gain W + Q range for free damage. zed's Q is actually fast enough to be undodgeable, but rather zed is free to miss it, im not saying its easy to land every shuriken, but because of its speed anything less than max range its zeds projectile to miss. not dodge.
but if zed does W + Q at this time a jungler should be stepping in and tearing zed a new one. doesn't happen in low elo, that 22s CD is meaningless, its literally just zeds free damage.
now fine, it went on CD, you go in to zeds range to harass him back. OH WHAT A SHAME, ZEDS ALREADY RUNNING AWAY, because he did it at a 1400 range and your Q only has 880 range.
now you can think zed can only do this maybe 6 times at best throughout the lane, but guess what, your jungler never stops by... but its a shame, because you're missing 1/2 your health bar from it factoring your health potions.
in short ahri needs free auto attacks in levels 1 + 2 to punish him for going in to melee last hit range, beyond level 3 and 4 zed is going to all in you and just start meleeing you to auto win the fight knowing you cant beat his DPS and the fact that he went in first so hes already head, even if you did an equal amount of damage back to him, which you dont because of MR vs armor imbalances, you're forced to run away to live at all, now you're out of the wave and backing.
the issue here isn't zeds all in, no1 cares about that, its his safety from range and the glaring trading imbalances in the early game.
want to find a grosser matchup? lets try veigar, karthus or oriana. lets see how that one works out, zeds totally fine.... "just build roa/zhonyas, gg zed cant kill you anymore" fine, shame i have dirt cdr, mobility, and trash team utility for when mid game rolls around and im supposed to be doing a team fighting job which is severely lacking.
Astôlfo6 votesAhri isn't going to farm nonstop with Q. You forgot mana regen. And also the fact she has ranged autos. As well as self-sustain. As well as it dealing a lot more and double-hitting.
Yes, that is the point. Energy is superior, as it should be, in early. The tradeoff is it's a lot worse after said early and for anything more than just a single quick rotation.
Low ELO is irrelevant to balance.
Yes, the whole point is that Energy is superior in laning phase. I fail to see your supposed point.
Very Hard Engage11 votesover the full laning phase, 17 vs 80+ casts. read the full post before commenting next time.
zed has oppressive early game which needs to be shunted for a more healthy curve. it used to be zed falled off in the late game until his W gained free AD so he can deal serious damage to towers/objectives.
now having a zed in 45+ minutes isn't as crippling as it used to be.
lets not mention the zhonyas active change to the point where its actually longer than zeds ultimate, both commanding the active and showing up immediatley will result in you dieing unless you play accordingly and not show in lane or stay FAR enough away from his W + R.
zed is one of the few champions in the game that forces you to play a certain way and overly defensive or aggressive. no other champion can do that as they have meaningful counterplay, like dodge, or long cd's. you cant dodge a good zed, he will hit everything and it forces you to play/build differently just to not die and feed.
Astôlfo5 votesYes, an energy user is superior in laning phase. What of it? That's normal.
Zed is still only early/mid pretty much. After that, he's just a splitpushing bot. That's the whole intended point. It's the same with any assassin.
I'm not sure what you mean by the Zhonya's thing. Just use it when he first ults you?
You can keep exaggerating and stating whatever complaints you want. It does not make them any truer.
Very Hard Engage12 voteswell 45% of platinum+ players agree zed ruins their game and they dont want to see him at all.
AMYS GRAVE17 votesZed is still only early/mid pretty much. After that, he's just a splitpushing bot.
Oh no, he turns into one of the best split pushers in the game, what a bad late game strategy.
I'm not sure what you mean by the Zhonya's thing. Just use it when he first ults you?
His zhonyas argument is that if you use zhonyas on zed ult, zed ult will come off cooldown twice (at rank 2 with CDR) before your zhonyas cooldown comes back.
You can keep exaggerating and stating whatever complaints you want. It does not make them any truer.
The truth makes them true.
Astôlfo4 votesI'm saying he's worthless outside of splitpushing come mid/late. That's my point. And one non-ADC at whatever lane he tries to push is more than enough to stop him.
Yes, that's the point. An item should not nullify an ultimate every time. There is more options than just Zhonya's. CC is a thing. So is sticking with your team. So is peel otherwise.
That would require there to be truth first.
AMYS GRAVE13 votesI'm saying he's worthless outside of splitpushing come mid/late.
Yes he's worthless outside of the thing that he's top tier at....
Great logic. Such truth.
Astôlfo5 votesIt is a truth. And no, he's not top tier at it. He's decent at it.
Next.
AMYS GRAVE9 votesNext.
Sure, i'll tell the next joke, though i'm not sure i could top your comments.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Sexy Jack Rabbit5 votesZed is used in the LCS for split pushing and team assassination "He's decent at it" he says. I'm crying.
Nahui5 votesHe's used in the LCS? Can you produce frequency of Zed picks and bans for us, or is this like a baseless "Factual" statement that you hope no one picks up on or fact checks? And in those rare picks that I know Zed has in LCS, how often was split pushing the top tier thing he did?
Nahui5 votesHe's really like any other split pusher. Trynd, Fiora, Yi, Jax; all champs requiring heavy attention and can shred lanes and turrets. He has nothing really special there besides shadowing over a wall.
Zhonyas was never built to be a counter to spells. If you 1 on 1 every second of the game, Zhonyas is designed not to be a get out of jail free card but as a momentary defense against situational events. You're not meant to Zhonyas every Zed's ult as soon as it's off CD, but it does put you in the advantage for trades after as Zed's main strength is threat of ult. However late game, Zed isn't engaging you every 50 seconds or so 1v1. It's team fighting and Zhonyas should be off CD mostly.
Truth makes complaints true. However, your truth and the truth aren't the same.
AMYS GRAVE5 votesHe's really like any other split pusher. Trynd, Fiora, Yi, Jax;
Zed has better waveclear than any of the champions you listed meaning he gets to turrets faster, because he itemizes armor pen his damage is multiplied against turrets giving him faster turret takes compared to any you listed, and he has more mobility compared to any you listed to ensure his safety while doing so. He is better in every facet of split pushing.
Zhonyas was never built to be a counter to spells.
Then it isn't the counter to zed ult then?
However late game, Zed isn't engaging you every 50 seconds or so 1v1. It's team fighting and Zhonyas should be off CD mostly.
So you're back to using Zhonyas to counter his spells? Make up your mind.
Truth makes complaints true. However, your truth and the truth aren't the same.
I'll let that one slide because i was being cheeky because NEP2UNE was being an ahole. If I've said anything untrue please do tell.
Nahui2 votesHe has waveclear, as does trynd with a spin and shiv crit and maybe a couple autos, or Fiora and her lunge, auto, hydra combo. Jax has no wave clear, but he shreds towers. Yi has lots of wave clear, idk what you're smoking.
Jax is the only one without wave clear here and he smashes turrets and about 1-2 shots most minions.
Even without the items, should that be an issue, Trynd and Fiora still have adequate wave clear. For Zed to properly wave clear, he needs to burn the shadow, leaving him heavily exposed while split pushing. Without the shadow, he will auto about as much as Trynd will at a slower rate.
And no, Zed does not take a tower quicker than anyone I mentioned. None at all. Because where they don't have armor pen (Although probably do), they have raw attack speed and damage. There's no scenario where A Zed could 100-0 a tower quicker than any of the champs I mentioned up there. He is not the best at split pushing, he is one of the worst of these champs I listed.
Zhonyas is the counter to Zed's ult, because it happens to counter it. But Zhonya's isn't an item designed to simply shut down spells efficiently. This is why Zhonyas doesn't have a 1 min CD to block most ults. It has a lengthy CD, and it's purpose is to counter something every two minutes, however it is not built to counter ultimates specifically or else it would be a 1 min CD.
Late game, you use zhonyas so his ult doesn't kill you. Same concept as above, if you can't understand it and would rather try and satirically play with it, that's your problem. The item is there to counter something every 2 minutes; not counter ultimate spells. There is a difference. Zhonyas effectively counters Zed's ult, but it is not 100% or even close so effective at it because of CD differences. This goes for any spell in the game. Maw is there to counter magic damage, but due to the shield's CD, not simply -the answer- to magic damage. Building a maw doesn't mean magic damage won't kill you anymore, just like a Zhonyas doesn't mean you are immune to Zed. It just manipulates the outcomes of would-be situations typically in favor of you. Can't remember a time Maw fucked up my fight for me.
And that last part was counter-cheeky because I agree with the guy you were responding to and against the guy he was responding to. Zhonyas having a higher CD I already discussed and that Zed is only really effective early-mid game. Afterwards he becomes a decent splitpusher, but his splitpush can be shut down easily by many common duelists we see in games today.
Votable Jester3 votesTo your point about Zhonya's cd making it not intended to counter ultimates...
The cooldown used to be 90s before it was increased to 120 with the MYMU. A 90s cooldown is pretty functional as a counter to ultimates, as they won't be used on you as soon as they're up, making the ~30s between ultimate and Zhonya's cd bearable.
With the increase to 120s however, that is a full minute+ between the ult and Zhonya's getting off their cds.
EndlessSorcerer4 votes"just build roa/zhonyas, gg zed cant kill you anymore" fine, shame i have dirt cdr, mobility, and trash team utility for when mid game rolls around
Honestly, I haven't had any issues with CDR when building against AD champions in the mid-lane.
I have an AP rune page with Scaling CDR Glyphs, which accounts for skipping Morellonomicon. Aside from that, I generally build the following against AD champions:
NineTailedMystic20 votesRoA isn't desirable for all champions.
Nahui9 votesAhri gets more than 5 casts. Natural regen, dorans regen, and killing minions. Mana management is a thing, all mana users must adhere by it. Mages are only gated by CDs until mana hits 0. Same with Zed and energy, but he hits 0 far quicker. Sure it comes back, but he has windows of vulnerability much more frequently than a mage who can keep up an assault until mana hits 0.
22s CD is not meaningless. This is purely bias, subjective rhetoric. This game is not balanced around Bronze solo q. It's high plat+. 22 seconds is massive, and junglers do identify this window and gank. I don't know about your games, but it happens in mine. Also, it's meaningful counterplay. He gets a poke ranging from very little to colossal damage (Depends on your positioning) every 22 seconds. Riot gave the counterplay, if the players don't take it, it isn't their or Zed's fault. It's not free damage, it's completely CD and heavily so gated. You don't counter harass a 1400 max range Q. You don't get hit by a 1400 range Q. You're providing a ridiculous scenario in which you're just pumping up various strengths in a hyperbolic way. Yes, his Q is 1400 range. That is a 22 second CD, loss of mobility, and a long travel time along with possibly passing through a unit and dealing half damage. Also half the energy is gone. You harass when he CSs. He goes in (Remember, he's melee) and you Q. Simple. Or even auto.
You can Q more than 6 times in a lane. I don't know where your mana goes. Don't spam, land spells. Zed can "Spam" but each spam is relatively low in damage. Unless a full W-Q-Q-E combo hits you, you don't take much damage. Especially with the nerfed Q going through anything. Your jungler enver stops by, that's no fact. That's a personal experience in a game. My jungler stops by, we kill Zed. Their jungler stops by, they kill me (As Zed) when W is down.
Zed can miss all the time, sure. He has no max resource to deplete in the sense mana does. However, his Q does less than yours unless possibly he hits you directly which isn't too easy in lane since if there's a clear path between Ahri and Zed, there's a clear path for charm. His Q does heavily reduced damage, yours is an amazing wave clear.
Zed is imbalanced early game, this is true. Why? Late game he is weak. He gained late game power due to QSS removal and nerfing of Zhonya so it isnt staple on anything with an AP scaling, however he lost 4 seconds on rank 1 W and lost AD ratio and base damage on Q. So they balanced his power out a bit, and that's why in lane he's weaker than before and late game he can still try and be relevant. Champions are designed this way. They typically have power spikes early, mid or late game. It's just the early game powerhouses are hated due to the efficiency of damage early levels. No Mundo has fun getting popped by Zed's ult early game, but no Mundo puts down his bag of popcorn as Zed's ult tickles late game.
Your comparing two champions unfairly to each other with a victim complex. "Ahri cant do this this or this, Zed can do this this and this.
Here's bare bones what both kits offer and maybe this will help you see balance, or at least allow others scanning your comments not to be simply fooled and run around banning Zed.
Zed: Mostly AD damage, passive is magic but not enough to warrant factoring in resistance wise. Long CD mobility spell that doubles as harass. Energy based, high damage. Ult requires large set up time. Hardly any CC (Only slow is on that 22 second CD). Some people consider Zed's ult a mobility spell. It's situationaly mobile. Need to hop a wall? It doesn't simply do that. Need to get to lane faster? Doesn't do that. Side step a skill shot? Doesn't do that. Catch up to someone, it can kind of do that should you be in range. Can sidestep a skillshot by ulting someone, but that's a full commitment which might not be an option. Melee based, has a ranged poke that severely cuts damage should it hit anything first. Can get in and out pretty easily with use of shadows. Good AOE.
Ahri: Full AP assassin/mage, no AD aside from autos. Has sustain, hard CC and true damage. Extreme mobility in the form of a triple dash ult requiring no lock on and a speed boost upon using Q. However, as mobility is on an ult, less opportunities to be mobile, but better when doing so. Mobility also deals great damage. Ranged, mana dependent. Heavily skill shot oriented, but like champs like Panth, has a guaranteed combo should CC land. Great AOE, can get in and out with ult easily.
They're both great champs, but they do different things and hold different strengths and weaknesses.
Here's the biggest problem you seem to have. Zed's Q. You see it as a resourceless, easily hit skillshot that chunks and does so much for Zed. I see why you see that. Now compare Ahri and Zed's Qs.
Zed: Linear pass-through skill shot costing about 25-33% energy. Physical damage. Can have extended range every so often. Ahri: Linear pass-through skill shot costing up to 85 mana, no percentages involved due to a logically infinite mana pool. Not saying it's better than energy, I just can't assign a direct percentage since mana isn't fixed. Deals magic and TRUE damage, provides a speed boost and provides sustain.
Now see this? Zed's Q is only damage. Itemizable-against damage. It has 0 other purpose. Ahri's Q provides utility, sustain and damage that can't be fully itemized against. This is why Zed gets more Q's than ahri. It's why it's faster and more direct. It's simply damage, and often even less than Ahri's. While Zed loses damage for multiple targets hit, Ahri charges passive and possibly heals MORE for more targets hit, all while everyone takes equal damage and Ahri gets a speed boost. So yes, Ahri has to manage mana, and maybe aim a little more carefully and decide when the best time to Q is while Zed can theoretically just press Q when off CD and not care (Ignoring lane shoving and how devastating that can be.) So while Zed gets this "Free ride" Q, it only does some damage. Ahri has to be careful with hers, but it heals, hurts and speeds up. It's also a more active zone, but that's a subjective thought from me. Zed's Q does some damage but if behind creeps, it will do a sliver. If Ahri's hits you, you get chunked hard due to true damage. This makes her Q more dangerous and makes it so she zones much better.
Ahri's Q is a standalone ability. It does what it does and that's it with very little synergy with the rest of the kit aside from the little speed boost. Zed's Q is a synergy ability that increases the damage his R does and makes his W have more utility with the possibility of many Qs.
But your problem seems to be early game and Q spam, that which isn't factored as much with the synergy. So until ult comes, Ahri and Zed have stand alone Qs, both functioning differently and paying prices relative to the power they're given from it.
Very Hard Engage1 votesTl:DR, i read your first paragraph to know you didn't read my full post, so ill show you the same exact courtesy.
Nahui4 votes"lets compare shall we.
lets take ahri an as example, zed vs ahri, pretty standard and popular matchup.
level 1, 514health (dorans 574), 2 health potions, (20.9+9) 30 armor, starts Q with a 7s cd. 334mana 65mana cost. 40 + 35%, 40 +35% true.
vs zed lvl 1, 579 health, 3 health potions, (32+12) 44 MR, starts Q with a 6s cd. 75 energy, 6s cd. 70 damage + 90%
ahri is limited to 5 casts before running out of mana entirely. zed doesn't have that problem. when you factor in length of laning phase regen becomes a factor. before the first back around 8~10minute mark, might be sooner if someone gets shoved out of lane or ganked or easy first blood. ahri has reliably 17 casts. zed has well over 80 potential Q's.
but after factoring in the bonus health potion zed has and MR, zed actually does more damage with his combos than ahri does. fine, w/e.
wouldn't be an issue if zed didn't gain W + Q range for free damage. zed's Q is actually fast enough to be undodgeable, but rather zed is free to miss it, im not saying its easy to land every shuriken, but because of its speed anything less than max range its zeds projectile to miss. not dodge.
but if zed does W + Q at this time a jungler should be stepping in and tearing zed a new one. doesn't happen in low elo, that 22s CD is meaningless, its literally just zeds free damage.
now fine, it went on CD, you go in to zeds range to harass him back. OH WHAT A SHAME, ZEDS ALREADY RUNNING AWAY, because he did it at a 1400 range and your Q only has 880 range.
now you can think zed can only do this maybe 6 times at best throughout the lane, but guess what, your jungler never stops by... but its a shame, because you're missing 1/2 your health bar from it factoring your health potions.
the true irksome issue here is the frequency zed can miss and still eventually get you down low enough into guaranteed kill range with his R E + auto alone, not needing the surikens at all
in short ahri needs free auto attacks in levels 1 + 2 to punish him for going in to melee last hit range, beyond level 3 and 4 zed is going to all in you and just start meleeing you to auto win the fight knowing you cant beat his DPS and the fact that he went in first so hes already head, even if you did an equal amount of damage back to him, which you dont because of MR vs armor imbalances, you're forced to run away to live at all, now you're out of the wave and backing.
the issue here isn't zeds all in, no1 cares about that, its his safety from range and the glaring trading imbalances in the early game.
want to find a grosser matchup? lets try veigar, karthus or oriana. lets see how that one works out, zeds totally fine.... "just build roa/zhonyas, gg zed cant kill you anymore" fine, shame i have dirt cdr, mobility, and trash team utility for when mid game rolls around and im supposed to be doing a team fighting job which is severely lacking."
This is what I responded to. If you don't want to read it, fine. Others will and won't be tricked into banning Zed because of you. Your information is simply biased and it's people like you that lead groupthink bans in League.
AMYS GRAVE5 votesThis is what I responded to. If you don't want to read it, fine. Others will and won't be tricked into banning Zed because of you. Your information is simply biased and it's people like you that lead groupthink bans in League.
When I'm jungle and my mid lane Syndra goes 1-6 in lane I'll be sure to explain the intricacies of why Zed doesn't create an oppressive environment mid lane. Meanwhile I'll keep banning him tyvm.
NineTailedMystic7 votesDeals magic and TRUE damage, provides a speed boost and provides sustain.
I just want to note that its her passive that provides sustain, which is by no means great early game, that she has to spend 3 spells minimum to activate and another to proc. It just sounded like you were intentionally making it sound like her Q is overloaded.
