lee still sees lcs play high pick rate buffed because low win rate,
look at
48 win rate if you play a lot of games with them you'll reach 49% win rate same of lee sin basically but they have an abysmal low playrate and see 0 lcs play
Chronic Diablo7 votesMan if Cho is strong he is just fucking too oppressive. Once he gets snowballing it can feel unfair. Heimer is another champ who is a piece of shit to play against. I say good on you RITO , good on you.
Urgot doggy dogg3 votesAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, lee sin is way more toxic than those overload kit strong early game and he dictates the meta he has to be deleted
Chronic Diablo4 votesHe has negative winrate?
Astôlfo2 votesIs this guy actually stupid or is he a troll?
Urgot doggy dogg1 votesthresh,vayne,lee sin,zed,ahri main gtfo
Astôlfo1 votes??? I don't main any of those. Also, none of those are even slightly OP.
Marshbouy6 votesits very hard to rework a champion to fit into the LCS.
xWaters4 votesI don't understand why people say this. Shouldn't every champ be viable in the LCS?
Edge of Daybreak7 votesI don't understand why people say this. Shouldn't every champ be viable in the LCS?
If league as a whole was designed differently that would be possible. Due to how close some of the kits work it's never going to be possible. One champ always does a job better than others.
Sightless662 votesEven Dota can't accomplish that, and Dota goes out of its way to make certain heroes very hard counters to other heroes (thereby making them a situational pick). League has way too much overlap in champion purposes for this to ever be a reality.
Have a Nice Game1 votesI thought every champ should be viable in ranked. I never had to see old Malzahar played in LCS to realize how strong he was when I used him.
Incognonymous3 votesRiot doesn't want diversity. Oh sure, they may make that claim every now and then, but their track record shows different. If anything, it shows that they will actually go out of their way to squash diversity, if it means keeping their favored creations in power. Kind of disgusting, if you ask me, but whatever.
Apocalypsic6 votesRiot doesn't want diversity. Oh sure, they may make that claim every now and then, but their track record shows different. If anything, it shows that they will actually go out of their way to squash diversity, if it means keeping their favored creations in power. Kind of disgusting, if you ask me, but whatever.
Its less that and more that it's controlled diversity. Which is kind of an oxymoron but essentially they rotate the meta. Lee isn't oppressive or OP, he's just a strong generalist pick with a very high skill ceiling.
Mind you a lot of people find him fun to play in general, so he's also going to have a high pick rate and the more you see him in your games the more you're gonna hate him, I think a lot of lee hate is much more mental than it is complaints about actual game balance.
Incognonymous1 votesIts less that and more that it's controlled diversity. Which is kind of an oxymoron but essentially they rotate the meta. Lee isn't oppressive or OP, he's just a strong generalist pick with a very high skill ceiling.
Mind you a lot of people find him fun to play in general, so he's also going to have a high pick rate and the more you see him in your games the more you're gonna hate him, I think a lot of lee hate is much more mental than it is complaints about actual game balance.
Strong and generalist should never, ever be used in the same sentence.
Itankyou3 votesThey see 0 LCS play because there are champions that are easier to play and the pros are actually n00bs, sorry but if u watch LCS most games are boring
Papa Slothy1 votesthey're boring because the best champions are generally farmers, mid lane is a very good example of this
mid lane LCS meta is basically: Azir, Viktor, Zilean (not common), ryze, swain and vlad
all late game scalers
Voluug131 votesZIlean was picked because of the LCS kill kill kill midlane meta.
He could insta-push a wave and 100% deny kills to Zed/Fizz, while actually scaling quite nicely if you knew how.
That is why.
Papa Slothy1 voteshe also scales very well, with his stuns and fast farming as well as his nuking ability late game
Mr Fidori3 votesIf you're gonna make a point, at least pick the right champion to make it. Lee Sin has a 1.7% pick rate in NA this split (picked twice, won once), and a 10.2% pick rate in EU (picked 11 times, won 7). He hasn't been banned in either region.
Better examples would be (by pick rate):
: 55% in EU, 65% in NA
: 46% in EU, 44% in NA
: 44% in EU, 68% in NA
: 31% in EU, 48% in NA
Voluug131 votesKarma is a unique case.
Her kit is shit, unfinished, rushed and binary, so Riot had to buff her each season massively because otherwise her crappy design could make her irrelevant. She needs a rework, and is CLEARLY not favored by Riot, otherwise she could have been reworked.
Sightless662 voteslee still sees lcs play high pick rate
Is that actually true? I was under the impression he was mostly out of competitive play. I may be wrong, but I just personally haven't seen him in a pretty long while.
Eedat1 votesextremely low pick rate. He's been picked twice so far this split in NA LCS
Sightless662 votesNo competitive presence and more unsuccessful than ever in solo queue. So... basically he sucks. That seems to be the situation from where I'm standing.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesThe only player i know who frequently picked lee was Fnatic Spirit since he's a lee main but other than that it's mostly graggy, elise or nidalee.
Eedat2 votes arent played in the LCS because of the nature of their kits. They have very obvious exploitable weaknesses that are going to be amplified by the fact that LCS teams are extremely coordinated. Heimer is immobile and doesn't do much if he doesnt have time to set up which is easy to work around . Cho has long cooldowns, immobile as well, and is easy to juke and kite.
Stop trying to use LCS as a valid comparison to the rest of us. The LCS is almost nothing like our experience
ShinkoMinori1 votesThe new yorick is really op.
Lugg1 votesPretty much all new and reworked champs will come out as OP. Riot does this to basically make people buy them if they want to compete in ranked.
Michael Sykes2 votesactually the latest reworked champions are very cheap
Lugg1 votesReworked champs are much cheaper to do than coming up with a completely new one.
Michael Sykes1 votesno, they already were that cheap. If Riot wanted to make money, the would have increased the price of those champs
Arakadia4 votesIt hasnt come out yet? Has it? So how would you know?
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Urgot doggy dogg1 votessivir not really maybe she becomes op after the first 2 are nerfed,and she seems a lot healthier and those 2 before mentioned
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesRiot doesn't want diversity because their some adcs are op and Riot still didn't nerf them.
zlumpy1 votesToo busy nerfing supports that don't need nerfs while not buffing the ones that do.
Dengeden1 votesCho and Heimer need a rework. Their kits are waaaay too easy to counter. The only way for them to be viable is as counterpicks.
Not so with Lee. Although he did get buffed because World's is coming around,
Astôlfo1 votesI mean. Even with perfect diversity. There's... what, 131 something champs now?
That'd be 0.76% playrate each. Is that what you want?
There will never be such a thing as perfect diversity, and that's not a bad thing.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesYes but seeing 
basically every frickin game (EU atleast) is kinda annoying.
Only a handful of champs is actually viable for LCS...
RowanEnd1 votesWell, you know, they can't stop playing favorites because of the LC$BIGPLAY$ they make. Which is going to be the death of this game.