Spot on win-rate nothing 38% less then urgot, best nerfs riot has a applied all year!
RIP AZIR 2014-2015
EDIT: Just a fyi he had a 47% winrate before he was nerfed/banned and even if you were good at him, one miss with Q and your dead, your focused your dead it takes time to w e away or to do a good R.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/azir®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics
HeraldOne9 votes[deleted]
Kingsgrave1 votesYeah, I recently saw a Katarina utterly destroy one. While he rushed his 1000g
just to stay in lane for the mr and mana regen Kat rushed her 860g
instead. By the time he got his 2700g
Kat had already completed her 2440g
which pretty much negated his paltry 60 AP/25mr purchase.
Fair and balanced counterplay.
None of what you mentioned is remotely related to counterplay nor is it at all related to Azir's nerfs or state of balance
Junkο1 votesA resoruceless burst assassin beat a mana hungry DPS mage?
First of all burst counters DPS, and assassins beat mages, and resourceless counters mana.
Katarina would have won even if Azir wasn't nerfed to thrash tier
Jefftiffy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hurny Quilva,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rEOFZ2PL,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-02-17T16:36:48.940+0000)
A resoruceless burst assassin beat a mana hungry DPS mage?
First of all burst counters DPS, and assassins beat mages, and resourceless counters mana.
Katarina would have won even if Azir wasn't nerfed to thrash tier
I still want to know how bad you are at Azir to lose to Kata. You have 2 moves to stop her ult. One of which gives you a shield for stopping it.
Junkο1 votesWait for Azir to use 2 soldier Q, jump on him, he now has no damage and is forced to burn ult or E into your side of the lane even if you don't use ult, both will make him vulnerable to jungle ganks.
Like it's the same way you win as any assassin versus a mage, you don't just mash all buttons as soon as all your abilities are up and hope you win, you wait for them to blow a spell that makes them vulnerable (usually a cc spell) and then attack them as soon as they do
Kilane1 votesA good Kat will shunpo dagger and spin to win every time when she's lvl 3 on she got into the soldier range or walk around it or when Azir just used Q.
Just like any Assasing or melee that can jump/blink on him before 6 will win trade hands down.
AccountaBilabudy9 votesmean while katarina 56% win rate
Keitron3 votes^^
The Bard Dog8 votesSpot on win-rate nothing 38% less then urgot, best nerfs riot has a applied all year!
RIP AZIR 2014-2015
http://www.lolking.net/champions/azir®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics
but wait. if you look at items built and winrates beside it, you see different numbers. 50% of people who build rabadons win 50% of people who build zhonya's win why are idiots sitting here rushing tanky items when azir can literally outplay almost ANYONE with a small amount of damage taken?
i don't build athenes. i don't build morellos. i rush outright damage because the faster you can get azir to two items, the faster you can start carrying.
building a nashor's first item when you have 18% flat cdr at level 1 is THE BEST option you have. it gives you 1.3 AS, 80 ap, 40% CDR, AND makes you able to last hit more effectively without wasting mana on soldiers. after that depending on what's built i either get a void staff or rabadon's and then i'm chunking EVERYONE for a lot of damage before they can even get close. nerfs or not.
people still don't get how to build the guy.
inb4 unranked. i spent WEEKS playing azir non-stop to figure out what works and what doesn't work for him.
if you're losing to a kat, you're playing azir wrong. if you're losing to any melee aside from zed, you're playing him wrong. if you're losing to any low to mid range mage as azir, you're playing him wrong.
ziggs, lux, xerath, and malzahar are the only REAL mage counters to azir out there. the rest is all dependent on whether or not you're good at azir.
sure the nerfs hurt. but the only thing they REALLY did was raise the skill curve. experienced azirs who spent their time learning azir before the nerf still get how he's supposed to be played and built. it's so ridiculously easy to get kills as azir in 2v2's, 3v3's 4v4's and 5v5's. 1v1's i'd say are the hardest for sure because you're the only target and no one is there to draw fire.
? no. 
? its alright, but there's better. no. ? DEFINITELY NOT. not gold efficient, not enough mana regen to justify 2.7k gold. learn to manage your mana and farm safely.
and 
is what you should be building 90% of the time. it gives you anti-tank capabilities, 600+ AP which is more than plenty, 1.5 AS, a % health magic damage burn, and tons of magic penetration. not to mention nifty zhonya's passive to save yourself from burst so you can r+w+e to safety.
Breakkah6 votespls people build lots of champs lots of ways but even an ap trynd or adc teemo wouldnt have a 37% win rate.
The Bard Dog4 votespls people build lots of champs lots of ways but even an ap trynd or adc teemo wouldnt have a 37% win rate.
adc teemo is still ranged, still has a blind, and still can kite extremely effectively. ap trynd(i know nothing about his scaling, but im sure the only way it would ever win is by him being carried) is just dumb.
the reason azir has a low winrate is because he has a MASSIVE learning curve and skillcap that was raised with the nerfs. he's still pretty god damned strong while in the right hands. precisely why he has the 4th highest ban rate. because people who play him correctly still manage to out maneuver, out play, and out farm everyone.
Breakkah5 votesadc teemo is still ranged, still has a blind, and still can kite extremely effectively. ap trynd(i know nothing about his scaling, but im sure the only way it would ever win is by him being carried) is just dumb.
the reason azir has a low winrate is because he has a MASSIVE learning curve and skillcap that was raised with the nerfs. he's still pretty god damned strong while in the right hands. precisely why he has the 4th highest ban rate. because people who play him correctly still manage to out maneuver, out play, and out farm everyone.
diamond and challenger has a 35% win rate with azir. he has easily been out long enough for people to learn how to play him and if what you say is true only the select chosen .001% of people that play him can play him well then wouldnt it be obvious that azir is a stupid ban?
Yandere Carry2 voteshe doesnt have a massive learning curve
Keitron9 votesJust cause hes banned doesn't mean he needs a nerf.
Junkο4 votesI agree leave Zed, Kalista, and others like they are, they don't need nerfs!
Kilane1 votesKalista, sure.
Zed? No, not really. Plenty of ways to counterplay him.
Junkο2 votesAs a Zed main, you really can't counterplay Zed if the Zed player is good. You can counterbuild and counterpick him which counter him hard though. But with the recent mage nerfs in mana reg and removal of DFG he has less counterpicks now and counterbuilding him mana starves you.
Kilane1 votesI seriously don't think zed should be nerf. If it's about mana problem, they should go back and look at the mana sustain mechanic. maybe add mana regen flat to each champ that requires it.
Sightless661 votesbut wait. if you look at items built and winrates beside it, you see different numbers.
There's a better explanation for why certain items have higher winrates. The reason Rabadon's and Zhonya's have such high winrates is because they are never built first on Azir. If I lose a game really hard, I may complete one item (let's say it's Morello's), but I won't have anything else in my inventory when we surrender at 20 or 25 or something. Because it's the first item I build, it may be the only item I have when I lose. I'll never have Zhonya's or Rabadon's in those early loss situations, so they have higher winrates. It's the same reason why Doran's Ring has an extremely low winrate on him despite being his best starting item.
Even if you are right that people are itemizing wrong, the item winrate data does absolutely nothing to prove that. Without data sorted by timestamping and build order, item winrates mean nothing. It doesn't support your argument.
Also, why do you think people are buying "tanky" items on him? His most common build by far is Morellonomicon, Rabadon's, Zhonya's and Void Staff. Those are the items people are losing with. Tanky doesn't factor into it.
As for your build... you overvalue attack speed something fierce on him. His base attack speed is too low to make Berserker's Greaves efficient, Nashor's has the same problem but can at least sometimes be good, and Liandry's can't be anything but a situational item in his build.
AND makes you able to last hit more effectively without wasting mana on soldiers.
I want to just address this specific statement. I don't get mana regen because I can't last-hit without soldiers. I get mana regen because using soldiers allows me to push faster so I can either farm in other areas or put pressure on the map. Last hitting with Nashor's-enhanced autoattacks is unnecessary and inefficient.
Nausicäa 7 votesRIOT BALANCE TEAM BEST BALANCE TEAM.
Woodsy25756 votesHe was shit before, he totally needed buffs if anything
AquariusGine5 votesAzir's winrate in diamond is disgustingly low. Riot's balance team needs balancing. These changes are ridiculous.
Azir should have been compensated instead of gutted
PapaGreg213 votes[deleted]
ApexInTheCircle4 votesHe is also the 4th most banned champion
Because he's annoying to lane against, but he's made of a wet paper bag. He's banned mostly so someone on your team doesn't use him and feed.
Kilane1 votesAnd they never learn to bypass his soldier and trade/all in.
Win trade EVERYTIME!
Killer X 123 votesI was defending the nerfs when i was seeing them on paper....i played him yesterday...O.M.G.
He feels like shit, the range is so weird now and i feel like i do no damage till really late in the game. I was never a fan of Azir, but at least he felt pretty smooth before, now its just trash on trash.
AkajiFlare2 votesSo I've played alot of Azir before and after the nerfs and I've tried alot of different things.
Early Game: In almost every 2v2 and 1v1 situation you are useless. You're just flat out pathetic, jungle ganks will fail against mobile champions and you won't win lane unless you hardcore counter your enemy laner. If you survive until 6 or get a blue from the jungler you will be useful and okay at fighting. You really don't want to skirmish before 6. You need mana to last hit from a safe distance and harass.
The common rush is either or . Both of these are good, if you are truly afraid of doing anything or like tank stats get 
, I've played many games with this and don't recommend it.
When mid game comes around you want damage or utility depending on the game. is a great pickup vs. assassins of any kind, gives you nice ap and hp for survival and landing more auto attacks with your much lower range, and is good if you are ahead. To attain 40% cdr you either go 
or get it from runes.
Late game is where you shine and shred every teamfight, hopefully your cs and positioning was spot on so you can make them all pay for your early uselessness. If they're stacking magic resist and are your choices. You will get into melee range of the enemy team if u want to insec or disengage so a little hp from items like or isn't bad. You can swap out boots for 
endgame if you wish but it isn't necessary.
I have taken 
most games but I see that faker usually takes 
. Take 
vs. poke laners such as xerath or if you'd like to split push.
My least favorite thing after nerfs is assassins mid. If they roam you need to make it very clear for the rest of your team, you push down mid when they leave and put as much damage on the turret as possible, chasing them down will usually result in your death..
Wish you all luck on the rift, I personally think Azir should get his damage buffed on q, but not such great scaling into the lategame.
Silents4292 votesTo quote Stonewall008's facebook.
" It's always puzzled me why people care so much about win rates when the majority of people know dick about reading them. When it comes to Azir, I just think the majority of the players losing as him are players who only picked him up because he was stupidly strong and could cheese out wins. Now that his damage is nerfed, these players just cannot fathom how to make the most use of his kit and thus suck and fail.
It's like when Yasuo was nerfed a long time ago and his win rate dropped dramatically. It then rose back as people who love and know the champion kept playing him and winning.
TLDR: The flavor of the month players fuck up the win rates of overpowered champions once they get nerfed because they never actually knew how to play the champion."
Keitron2 votesHave you played Azir?!?! He Sucks. No offence but maybe if you weren't bronze you would know better.
Edit: This may be too offensive but im still sticking too it. the majority of people disagreeing that Azir is balanced is bronze. Thats pissing me off cause HES AT A BLOODY 35~% winrate please under stand ITS FUCKEN THIRTY-FIVE LOL.
Silents4292 votesHave you played Azir?!?! He Sucks. No offence but maybe if you weren't bronze you would know better.
Oh how original. My elo decides whether or not I can quote stonewall008, The guy with more experience then you, and several accounts all in diamond elo.
Llanite2 votes42% now.
He'll recover, or you can play one of those healthy 
Ornn Star XXX1 votes42% where? I'm seeing 36.73 percent today and 40 percent for the week (although his nerf hasn't been live for a week so that should go down further). I doubt his win rate will go back up without buffs.
Llanite1 votesLolking shows 42%. Different source I guess .
Regardless, Fizz also started w/ 39% post-nerf too and climbed back to 45%.
Ornn Star XXX1 votesThat is because Lolking lags one or two days behind, and that is the weekly average and the patch hasn't been live for a full week yet. The difference between Fizz and Azir is that Fizz had a minor rework, whereas Azir is just a straight nerfing. It is not like Azir needs to be played differently in build or style like Fizz had to play AD. Azir is played the same way, but he just can't do nearly as much. I'm probably still salty cause I liked him a lot and enjoyed playing him and I won't be playing him again anytime soon. I don't see him worth playing at all now and there is no reason to choose him over Orianna who is a lot alike him, but now he has no damage.
Nausicäa 1 votesLolking shows 42%. Different source I guess .
Regardless, Fizz also started w/ 39% post-nerf too and climbed back to 45%.
LoLking shows 42% because the number listed there is based on weekly stats, not daily so its still counting some of the days pre nerf. Also its a couple days behind.
If you look at Azir's profile you can see the daily winrates, and it is listed as 38% on lolking as of Feb 13th.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/azir®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics
Basically its showing a 10% drop in winrate since 5.3.
Nausicäa 1 votesRegardless, Fizz also started w/ 39% post-nerf too and climbed back to 45%.
Im sorry but it does not follow that because Fizz's winrate increased after changes, Azir's will too.
That is bad reasoning.
Llanite2 votesPoint is that, fotm needs time to move on and other people start to adapt.
Nausicäa 1 votesPoint is that, fotm needs time to move on and other people start to adapt.
How exactly does one adapt when a champion is bad? There is no way to magically make a champion not suck.
Profirix3 votesPlay the champion more. Get good with them. Take time to learn the ins and outs of a champion. Once you have done this, you will be able to truly see if this champion is underperforming. You honestly can't judge a champion by its win rate right after they get nerfed. You have to ride out the suck train until only the dedicated players are left playing them. Then you will have a decent understanding of their power level and whether they warrant buffs.
Keitron1 votesBeen there done that winrate wont get any-better then urgot's
Kilane1 votesRight how many days now? 5 days? When will his winrate increased with that 3% of popularity? Next year?
Migrañaboy2 votesSpot on win-rate nothing 38% less then urgot, best nerfs riot has a applied all year!
RIP AZIR 2014-2015
EDIT: Just a fyi he had a 47% winrate before he was nerfed/banned and even if you were good at him, one miss with Q and your dead, your focused your dead it takes time to w e away or to do a good R.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/azir®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics
You just justified something is/isn't OP by just using one simple statistical data without proper further analysis (which can't be done properly with the limited online tools anyway), meaning that you won't be taken serious.
Gunpoint2 votesStupid as hell, I used to play Azir a ton and then after seing HOW they nerfed him I just havn't bothered since.
cwleungaa2 votesOnly 38.31 % win rate now............ Riot plz do something !!!
Tahal2 votesSeriously, Azir has plenty of counter play. Honestly, just remove the siege damage on his W, which is boring as it is. And give us scaling range for his soldiers.
AquariusGine2 votesAzir should have been compensated instead of gutted
Yya2 votesThe nerf on Azir's W is the dumbest nerf Riot has ever put out. They released it without any feedback whatsoever. Here is a metaphor for what they did. It's like Riot started playing super loud music (Aka Ultimate Sona Skin) and then whispered to you, "Is it okay if I cut off your arms" (Aka Azir is getting nerfed into the ground) and you did not hear them over the loud music, so they cut your arms off anyways. I think that they should not realise content that has not been tested, And I think that Azir's W should have the range it had originally
warpenguin5551 votesazir is shit now, cant hurt you unless you stand on his solders. he used to be my favorite champion too :(
Ternt1 votesDude, fucking nerf Kat. Most unskilled overpowered champ in the game. Give me Zed and Lee Sins all fucking day, but SHIT it's hard to spam Q and get pentas.