Great to see nerfs to champions that needed nerfs and some buffs to champions that needed buffs. The new jungle item is fantastic, thank you riot cant wait for the new patch to come out after meh ones we've been getting.
TLDR : Exited for the next few patches!
source: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/227-pbe-update.html
Glory to God13 votesDidn't see a positive thread about anything that Riot does for like....a huge while. Yay no sarcasm.
Keitron2 votesGreat PBE patch though eh?
BeerOfRoot48438 votesAnything that rewards Urgot for all the mana he buys is a blessing.
LoL Ergo Urgot5 votesAs an Urgot main, I m super excited!
Oops1 votesi would love to main urgot i like him alot but he feels 2 cluncky for me...
ZGM Dazzling1 votesWhat everyone said about Azir until he one shot us all.
BallisticMouse1 votesTbh you seem more like a Viktor main. Looked at your games and you play way more Viktor than Urgot.
LoL Ergo Urgot1 votesTbh you seem more like a Viktor main. Looked at your games and you play way more Viktor than Urgot.
I do, but I play more Viktor becasue when I pull out Urgot people think I am trolling, won't gank for ect.. If I pick Viktor, I can avoid all of that noise. I still prefer to play Urgot over Viktor though.
excodar4 votesGreat to see nerfs to champions that needed nerfs and some buffs to champions that needed buffs. The new jungle item is fantastic, thank you riot cant wait for the new patch to come out after meh ones we've been getting.
TLDR : Exited for the next few patches!
source: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/227-pbe-update.html
You honestly thought that nautilus needed to be nerfed? Fuck you.
Duke Anax12 votesThat is no nerf, previously Naut relied heavily on his shield damage, which was a problem because his damage would break with the shield. Now the Shield is defensive, with a slight damage boost.
However he got massive extra AoE damage early game which will greatly help his jungling.
LordKentravyon1 votesYes but lev 1 MIGHT be to harsh IMO, I need to test it to be sure.
Mid - late game looks solid but I feel that much taken off early will hurt the first clear
Daedalus8716 votesI did some math on the Nautilus changes.
Once you account that sustained damage is worth less than burst damage and the fact that Nautilus doesn't get 10 seconds out of his shield early on, I think they turn out to be some substantial buffs.
LoL Ergo Urgot1 votesI did some [math](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balane's getting a buff from new items, and jungle changes as wce/hoWFtEzy-nautilus-changes-math-inside?comment=0000) on the Nautilus changes.
Once you account that sustained damage is worth less than burst damage and the fact that Nautilus doesn't get 10 seconds out of his shield early on, I think they turn out to be some substantial buffs.
We also can't forget they are buffing tank junglers in general.
VardenSalad1 votesNice analysis. I was hoping someone would run the numbers on the changes.
SecretAgentHulk3 votes[Context: Scarizard commented on these saying: [1]"Yeah, to be clear - we want this to be a buff to nautilus. We're watching the W changes heavily." and [2] "E is flatly a stronger clearing tool at level 1, though. 40 mana, 6 second cooldown. His early clear is affected positively."]
Thefriendlyorc1 votesAs an old nautilus jungler I look forward to stronger ganks and clears for the Big daddy
Oops1 votesu need to consider that the new item is a buff for him
Bolwinkel4 votesStill no buff to veigar to compensate for DFG
KomePrePongo3 votesHow's that a nidalee nerf? Trap is only used to notice enemy jungler blindly walking into it in bushes or to proc her passive. Pounce is used for mobility. E is buffed.
Abyssphere4 votesHow's that a nidalee nerf? Trap is only used to notice enemy jungler blindly walking into it in bushes or to proc her passive. Pounce is used for mobility. E is buffed.
Her early clears are fastest when she starts W, because % HP damage is very powerful against the jungle monsters of S5 who have no resistances but massive HP values in place of them. Bushwhack on a monster loses ~160 damage at level 1 now, and every time she uses Pounce per camp it's 10 extra damage lost.
If she starts Spear then it's not too important but Bushwhack is better for clearing, so this is a big nerf to Jungle Nid's clear.
Lane Nidalee's combo does more damage as long as she has 100+ AP at level 1, 200+ at level 6, 300+ at level 11 and 400+ at level 16. Bushwhack likely never catches up, though.
KaisadiIIa2 votesshe has 100+ AP at level 1
100 AP at level 1?
Abyssphere2 votes100 AP at level 1?
Sorry, I wrote that badly. I mean at rank 1 of her ult, not actual level 1 (because at that point she won't have access to Pounce + Swipe). Essentially for every rank in her ult she needs to have 100 AP for the burst damage to be the same and anything above 100 AP per rank will be a buff.
Having that much AP early on is indeed impossible, so this is basically a small nerf early and a buff late for lane Nidalee.
Bears Dont Care2 votesSorry, I wrote that badly. I mean at rank 1 of her ult, not actual level 1 (because at that point she won't have access to Pounce + Swipe). Essentially for every rank in her ult she needs to have 100 AP for the burst damage to be the same and anything above 100 AP per rank will be a buff.
Having that much AP early on is indeed impossible, so this is basically a small nerf early and a buff late for lane Nidalee.
AP runes + mastery + magus will give you over 100
ProfDrDeath1 votesMagus on level 1? Or even pre-6?
ColinFly2 votesBut why nerf her first and second clear where she arguably struggles the most if being played by a summoner who isn't properly trained on her kit or isn't quite the greatest at jungle camp kiting.
Her mid game clear is what needs hit because once she gets a little AP in her she just pounces all over the jungle just absolutely blazing a trail all over the map.
Abyssphere1 votesBut why nerf her first and second clear where she arguably struggles the most if being played by a summoner who isn't properly trained on her kit or isn't quite the greatest at jungle camp kiting.
Her mid game clear is what needs hit because once she gets a little AP in her she just pounces all over the jungle just absolutely blazing a trail all over the map.
Don't ask me, I'm not the balance team :P It's possible they think a poor early clear will be a good enough weakness to offset her strong mid clear.
Oops1 votesi think her clear is slower after the patch. max health dmg is really strong against monsters
exiledFromBadmen3 votesLiss nerf? This is the worst b-day I've ever seen T_T
OhOkYea2 votesVi nerf wont change anything.
ColinFly2 votesWould to have really wanted to keep the Juggernaut enhancement though. Don't understand why we couldn't have a little more variety in enhancements and 5 in total.
I really liked Jugg on off-tank junglers such as Udyr, J4, Xin, etc. for when I feel like being a little safer early on or if I'm behind slightly.
That CDR, to me, is very necessary on certain tank junglers, perhaps more so than the burn aura.
Jongar2 votesIf there gonna keep the riftwalk as it is that could be fine. What they should do is give him back his silence and make his E 4 charges instead of 6. This way he still has to flank but trying to get his opponent will be a lot easier. Now he will not be Able to go in for clean ups and get out but do an Assassians job on taking out the weak.
A Small Dog1 votesAwesome, thanks for the update. Looking forward to the extra effect on Tristana's Q.
LANWhale1 votesperhaps we call it
ThePlasticSpork1 votesSuper excited for the size of dem Naut shields late game with the 25% bonus health increase from the new item.
Also, 40% CDR means his slow is only gonna have a downtime of less than 1 second at max rank. His shield is going to be weaker in the early to mid game because you won't be maxing it now, but you can max E for more reliable damage (no more 90% of DPS going away with shield popping!).
Also nice to see those Skarner buffs, however slight. Been playing both of these champions since S2.
Wheatloaf2 votesSlow duration for Naut was dropped 1.25 seconds.
KaisadiIIa1 votesCooldown was dropped to 4 seconds from 10. Nautilus got really buffed this PBE cycle.
Wheatloaf2 votesYeah, but he was saying the downtime on the slow would be less than 1 second at 40% cdr, which would only be true for the old 2-second slow. With the new duration, the downtime is 1.15 seconds.
ThePlasticSpork1 votesWith 40% CDR, the cooldown on E is going to be slightly over 2 seconds.
With a slow duration of 1.25 seconds, that means about ~1 sec down time.
Oops1 votesgreat patch on pbe!! btw i think people get 2 crazy about balance changes... balance is a long process and if veigar is 2 weak, they know and they will buff him and if vi and jarvan are 2 oppressive they will nerf them and i belive that if lee sin is 2 stronk he will get alitle nerf as well
LyraSona1 votesAnother great patch by the seasoned experts at Riot. Keep up the great work guys! 
Sasogwa1 votesThis looks like a good patch. Hoping they do good work to buff Veigar and Kass in 5.6 (or maybe even 5.5)
Miku Lv991 votesPatch is looking good so far. But there are still a lot more bad junglers like Evelynn that need buffs. Still, what's shown is a pretty huge step in the right direction finally.
Aura Master Fox1 votesHappy to see Skarner and Urgot getting some love from Riot!
jhlee01331 votesThat title, i expected to come into a rant about lee sin not getting nerfed it seemed sarcastic.
LordKentravyon1 votesI am concerned but not certain in regards to the naut changes, specifically the lev 1 hit to his W (40->15)
other then that it looks solid.
